How am I saying it was only one sided ?? prey tell. They got something ...good for them.. We did better. They werent ripped off , but weve done exceptionally well.

Yes, olisik doesn't think we did. Which, I presume, is why he can't let the trade go.

Yes, olisik doesn't think we did. Which, I presume, is why he can't let the trade go.

Im not the one constantly saying "lets do more Tyson trades"

Im not the one constantly saying "lets do more Tyson trades"

explain though why you wouldnt ? I think in the greater audience just about all would concur it was a shrewd and rewarding trade.

But you dont want to do anymore ??

explain though why you wouldnt ? I think in the greater audience just about all would concur it was a shrewd and rewarding trade.

But you dont want to do anymore ??

Firstly define a "Tyson" trade and provude examples of how we could acheive it again.

If it is so shrewd why would other clubs go for more of these trades?

Basically it was a 2 for 2 trade. We helped our midfield somewhat with Tyson and got a development player. We gave them access to a potential superstar and a development player ( I think this pick was traded off to Brisbane who took Darcy Gardner).

So the question is, is the upside of Salem over Gardener more then the upside of Kelly over Tyson?

We wont know for a while though I wouldnt consider it a bargain and constantly say we should do it with every high pick we have.

Im not the one constantly saying "lets do more Tyson trades"

explain though why you wouldnt ? I think in the greater audience just about all would concur it was a shrewd and rewarding trade.

But you dont want to do anymore ??

I don't think the trade is necessarily the best thing to do this year. I think Tyson has been a success but for the deal to be a real success Salem has to develop into the player we hope for.

A lot depends on how the 2nd part of the deal stacks up, we have to keep regenerating the list and if we can't pick kids and develop them then we might as well shut shop. I know we've been spectacularly unsuccessful with this to date, but it's time we got it right.

The whole point of the Tyson trade was to get a ready to go player of some pedigree and KNOWN ability whilst also participating in kiddie lotto.

We still need the slightly older , partly experienced and developed player who actually delivers. Theyre part of what we lack the lost, actual ability not 'potential" gun!!

I fully expect Roos to not only repeat this if possible but expand on it

Firstly define a "Tyson" trade and provude examples of how we could acheive it again.

If it is so shrewd why would other clubs go for more of these trades?

Basically it was a 2 for 2 trade. We helped our midfield somewhat with Tyson and got a development player. We gave them access to a potential superstar and a development player ( I think this pick was traded off to Brisbane who took Darcy Gardner).

So the question is, is the upside of Salem over Gardener more then the upside of Kelly over Tyson?

We wont know for a while though I wouldnt consider it a bargain and constantly say we should do it with every high pick we have.

You are assuming we picked Gardiner at 22. And that in this hypothetical scenario another team wouldn't have before us. Obviously you rate Gardiner.

And I wouldn't do another 'Tyson trade' if this was 2001 and Pick 2 was either Judd or Ball.

I would do another 'Tyson trade' if the circumstances are right to do another. And I hope they are because we need more experienced bodies and minds at this club.

Nothing is ever black and white, right or wrong, bad or good - if that can be frustrating to those that want to generalise and make grand assumptions.

Nothing is ever black and white, right or wrong, bad or good - if that can be frustrating to those that want to generalise and make grand assumptions.

You forgot hot or cold.

so Dunn and Trengove?

Wouldn't bother me either way.

Firstly define a "Tyson" trade and provude examples of how we could acheive it again.

I will, because you can't.... ( grasp it )

A Tyson trade occurs whereby you exchange a very early pick ,,,sub 5 therefore foregoing an early dip into Kiddie Lotto but getting back a post 5 ( to say about 10) pick as well , and primarily to secure a youngish player of known ability who can impact immediately. Why, because he's already started to develop.

Now as to repeating this... I'll just give Jason a call and see what the lay of the land is with the club and all the others ( via managers etc )

We aren't privy to how. but the club will be.

You forgot hot or cold.

Yin and yang.

Yin and yang.

give and take

give and take

high and low

Long and short of it

Long and short of it

Day and night

I like this game, gee I'm bored.

Another rebuild is needed....we just simply dont have class... Premiership lists have 6-9 guns , strong culture, leadership.

Roos will need to build the list & unfortunately want see the fruits of his labour...