Salem isn't exactly lighting the world on fire…but congratulations on trying to quote me from 4 or 5 months ago.

Yeah, so you admit you were complaining about the fact an 18 year old was 'still developing in the VFL' in the first few weeks of his career?

Kelly and Salem are both doing what they will be doing for a few years - developing.

The only bloke that came out of that trade all guns blazing is the number 12 at the Dees.

There are a looooot of assumptions being made about who can win what.

The defining feature of this season has been variable form.

Sydney lost to GWS,

Adelaide lost to Melbourne but beat Port.

Carlton have fallen just short of some power teams and then lost to Melbourne and other weak teams.

North Melbourne is a week by week proposition.

On the one hand, can't bank any wins and definitely can't feel secure about avoiding the spoon.

On the other hand, we have to keep hunting for the upset wins that bring a cheer to everyone and will get us a game clear of that 'back-end pack'.

The difference between pick 3 or 5 doesn't bother me. Traditoinally, the best pick in the draft is number 7 anyway!

Yeah, so you admit you were complaining about the fact an 18 year old was 'still developing in the VFL' in the first few weeks of his career?

Kelly and Salem are both doing what they will be doing for a few years - developing.

The only bloke that came out of that trade all guns blazing is the number 12 at the Dees.

Whats your point? I was talking about Toumpas not Salem and Kelly. Different players different scenario.

Are you trying to say Toumpas is performing as well as Tyson here? Or are you just randomly changing the subject to something I discussed 4 or 5 months ago that has no relevancy to Toumpas.

At the start of the season I believed wins were irrelevant - all I wanted to see was a % around the 80 mark.

I still think that's the definition of success vs failure his year.

For the most part we have - thus far - been fortunate for the most part with injury.

.....other than the two KPP forwards on whom much of the season's planning would have been based :-(

Are you saying we would have won if we'd played Kennedy-Harris?

Quite possibly ... needed a crumber at the feet of Gawn, Jamar and Dawes.

Yep agree - we are turning the corner, BUT we also have to consider the oppositions inaccuracies in-front of goal.. the only wins this year have been when the opposition has kicked awfully

Carlton 7.16

Richmond 9.20

Essendon 10.17

Adelaide 9.13

The only game we really should have won by having more scoring shots was the saints game (6.15). We are improving but we still have a long way to go.

Just possibly our defensive pressures contributed to that, at least in part (not the missed 'sitters' certainly).

Don't worry, we have Toumpas who can come in

ho, hum

Salem isn't exactly lighting the world on fire…but congratulations on trying to quote me from 4 or 5 months ago.

He may not be setting the world on fire, but what he does shows outstanding skills and thinking. Give him another preseason or two and he may well become an A grader.

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Whats your point? I was talking about Toumpas not Salem and Kelly. Different players different scenario.

Are you trying to say Toumpas is performing as well as Tyson here? Or are you just randomly changing the subject to something I discussed 4 or 5 months ago that has no relevancy to Toumpas.

I am giving you the chance for some self-reflection - it's up to you whether you take it on board.

I am giving you the chance for some self-reflection - it's up to you whether you take it on board.

no one cares

no one cares

Apathetic response...

Maybe I am a sap but I am still looking at the Geelong game...

Bump this when we get flogged but we played terribly today and got beaten because God smiled on a teenager with a long last name.

Frawley coughed it up. Twice.

Brisbane are suddenly beating Gold Coast based on last night?

I'd give them a shot against West Coast (maybe 40%), us (about the same but it is at Etihad) and Adelaide if they have put the cue in the rack.

Really like some things Brisbane do. But I think Leppa will value the draft pick, they need the future Jono Brown and so do the Saints (and Blues, Dogs).

Why miss out on a chance at an elite key forward for 1 or 2 hollow victories.

For us, we just need quality players and there will be one there for us. Let's get some wins so that we go in to next year with belief we aren't a basket case. Finishing out of the bottom 4 would be a great step.

Whats your point? I was talking about Toumpas not Salem and Kelly. Different players different scenario.

Are you trying to say Toumpas is performing as well as Tyson here? Or are you just randomly changing the subject to something I discussed 4 or 5 months ago that has no relevancy to Toumpas.

His point is that you are a complete and utter imbecile.

A very valid point, I must say.

There are a looooot of assumptions being made about who can win what.

The defining feature of this season has been variable form.

Sydney lost to GWS,

Adelaide lost to Melbourne but beat Port.

Carlton have fallen just short of some power teams and then lost to Melbourne and other weak teams.

North Melbourne is a week by week proposition.

On the one hand, can't bank any wins and definitely can't feel secure about avoiding the spoon.

On the other hand, we have to keep hunting for the upset wins that bring a cheer to everyone and will get us a game clear of that 'back-end pack'.

The difference between pick 3 or 5 doesn't bother me. Traditoinally, the best pick in the draft is number 7 anyway!

Agreed.

I'd rule out the Fremantle, Port Adelaide and Hawthorn games as I don't think we will be good enough on any of those days to beat those sides.

Geelong has been very poor at times this year (surely the worst 10-4 side in the game's history. They're hardly a 7-7 side right now), North is up and down and West Coast is nothing but downhill skiiers. You never know with any of them.