Can we use this thread to vent out frustrations about the Indigenous Round?

Suggest new thread if you really feel the need.

Someone threw up on the Brisbane jumper

Can we use this thread to vent out frustrations about the Indigenous Round?

I'd hate to know what ignorant self-involved complaints you have that will detract from a great week.

Just to let you know Nev Jetta had a lot of input into the design of MFC jumper

The one I am most unimpressed with is the Collingwood one, Eddie won't really alter the black and white stripes for anyone

Whether we like it or not, a key issue with the jumpers is how they look on TV. To that end, in my opinion Geelong's jumper failed because it was too difficult to discern any substantive difference from their usual jumper. Sydney's jumper also didn't look that great as it just appeared to be a bit "messy" with no coherent design.

Love our Indigenous Round Guernsey, & so proud of the work they've done to produce this. & very proud of Neville Jetta.

I actually really like our jumper and dare i say it the bombers and Richmond ones. I think the subtle designs standout more to me then the inyour face ones like Nth Melb and the like.

I'd hate to know what ignorant self-involved complaints you have that will detract from a great week.

What's great about it?

And for the record, I am not saying it ISN'T a great week. My problem is actually the kind of response you gave to my original post: this self-proclaimed sense of moral superiority initiated whenever someone tries to constructively challenge it. I simply want to understand what the week is ACTUALLY about, because I struggle to identify with racial pride. I find it bizarre, and I think this week actually lacks identity: is it about culture or race? Because they are different things.

Personally i would expand Indigenous Round to Multi-cultural Round. I belive it would be an even bigger celebration of all the nationalities and cultures that have come into our great game.

Personally i would expand Indigenous Round to Multi-cultural Round. I belive it would be an even bigger celebration of all the nationalities and cultures that have come into our great game.

RACIST!

What's great about it?

And for the record, I am not saying it ISN'T a great week. My problem is actually the kind of response you gave to my original post: this self-proclaimed sense of moral superiority initiated whenever someone tries to constructively challenge it. I simply want to understand what the week is ACTUALLY about, because I struggle to identify with racial pride. I find it bizarre, and I think this week actually lacks identity: is it about culture or race? Because they are different things.

It's recognition of what Indigenous Players have brought and bring to Footy, it also forms part of Reconiliation Week, do I need to explain what that is? or do you have a handle on it......let's cancel the Queens Birthday game because republicans can't understand what all the fuss is about...or Anzac Day which in a way celebrates the massacre of thousands authorised by politicians happily sitting in safety

RACIST!

lol

You are seeking out the very thing you say 'inevitably happens' when people 'constructively challenge' a week such as this.

I don't know what is constructive about the post I quoted.

Themed weeks like this are usually meaningless to many, the importance is found by those who search it out. If you don't want to find it, no-one is forcing you to. Some just found it a tad arrogant when others think nothing is happening because they aren't directly involved in it.

I simply want to understand what the week is ACTUALLY about, because I struggle to identify with racial pride. I find it bizarre, and I think this week actually lacks identity: is it about culture or race? Because they are different things.

"Pride" movements arise from a history of oppression and shaming. Black pride in America, ga* pride in Oxford St, Indigenous pride here and in other countries all arise because people have been badly treated and told that it's too bad, they deserve it because of who they are - not because of what they do. Rather than hide your identity - pass for white, pass for straight (if either of those are even possible ), people who have been assigned a flawed identity decide to accept heir identity and actively assert that it is not flawed. Racist comments over the fence, or on the field, are attempts to shame people who have felt the sting of that contempt for years, all for the pathetic purpose of putting them off their game or provoking retaliation. Think of Nicky Winmar proudly pointing at his black skin - that action has resounded through Aboriginal communities throughout Australia.

The AFL has decided that racial insults will only harm the game, and have rightly taken steps to suppress them. The indigenous round is a way of encouraging supporters to recognise and value the part indigenous footballers play in our game - and the part football plays in bonding indigenous communities.

Edit - strange censorship rule in Oxford St.

Edit again - REALLY strange censorship rule

It's recognition of what Indigenous Players have brought and bring to Footy, it also forms part of Reconiliation Week, do I need to explain what that is? or do you have a handle on it......let's cancel the Queens Birthday game because republicans can't understand what all the fuss is about...or Anzac Day which in a way celebrates the massacre of thousands authorised by politicians happily sitting in safety

I agree about Queens' Birthday. I don't understand it.

Your comment about Anzac Day is abhorrent: no one "celebrates" Anzac Day.

"Pride" movements arise from a history of oppression and shaming. Black pride in America, ga* pride in Oxford St, Indigenous pride here and in other countries all arise because people have been badly treated and told that it's too bad, they deserve it because of who they are - not because of what they do. Rather than hide your identity - pass for white, pass for straight (if either of those are even possible ), people who have been assigned a flawed identity decide to accept heir identity and actively assert that it is not flawed. Racist comments over the fence, or on the field, are attempts to shame people who have felt the sting of that contempt for years, all for the pathetic purpose of putting them off their game or provoking retaliation. Think of Nicky Winmar proudly pointing at his black skin - that action has resounded through Aboriginal communities throughout Australia.

The AFL has decided that racial insults will only harm the game, and have rightly taken steps to suppress them. The indigenous round is a way of encouraging supporters to recognise and value the part indigenous footballers play in our game - and the part football plays in bonding indigenous communities.

Edit - strange censorship rule in Oxford St.

Edit again - REALLY strange censorship rule

Well, if the oppression and shaming of a group by race is representative of a collective interpretation of racial identity, what's "pride", specifically? Isn't it the same thing?

This is kind of my point.

I am not actually against the week as a recognition of culture, because culture shapes ideas and identity. I get that. I just find that in the same way collective norms have fuelled racial tension, specific recognition of race -- being "proud" of the colour of your skin -- walks the same line of division.

Indigenous players, collectively, have not contributed to our game, in the same way the "white" race hasn't. Indigenous players have, on their own accords, contributed to the growth of the game.

I'm just of the belief that individual growth and recognition is a great product, representative of Indigenous contribution, as opposed to a collective approach that recognises race as a product of culture (if that makes sense).

I feel that in Australia we fight fire with fire. We need greater recognition of the individual, and less of divisive "pride" in race, because said pride, specifically white pride, is also what fuelled the grubs to hurl abuse at Winmar.

I hope I'm making sense. It frustrates me that we can't have a discussion about racial recognition in this country without someone hyperventilating (not saying you are, thanks for the constructive response).

I don't feel weeks like this have helped stamp out racism. It's a greater sense of awareness in that we judge a PERSON on their acts and character, and NOT that of the colour of their skin. Evidently, a week that highlights the colour of someone's skin seems counterproductive to me.

I agree about Queens' Birthday. I don't understand it.

Your comment about Anzac Day is abhorrent: no one "celebrates" Anzac Day.

Well, if the oppression and shaming of a group by race is representative of a collective interpretation of racial identity, what's "pride", specifically? Isn't it the same thing?

This is kind of my point.

I am not actually against the week as a recognition of culture, because culture shapes ideas and identity. I get that. I just find that in the same way collective norms have fuelled racial tension, specific recognition of race -- being "proud" of the colour of your skin -- walks the same line of division.

Indigenous players, collectively, have not contributed to our game, in the same way the "white" race hasn't. Indigenous players have, on their own accords, contributed to the growth of the game.

I'm just of the belief that individual growth and recognition is a great product, representative of Indigenous contribution, as opposed to a collective approach that recognises race as a product of culture (if that makes sense).

I feel that in Australia we fight fire with fire. We need greater recognition of the individual, and less of divisive "pride" in race, because said pride, specifically white pride, is also what fuelled the grubs to hurl abuse at Winmar.

I hope I'm making sense. It frustrates me that we can't have a discussion about racial recognition in this country without someone hyperventilating (not saying you are, thanks for the constructive response).

I don't feel weeks like this have helped stamp out racism. It's a great sense of awareness in that we judge a PERSON on their acts and character, and NOT that of the colour of their skin. Evidently, a week that highlights the colour of someone's skin seems counterproductive to me.

I have served my time in the military, I am not a great believer in any sort of 'celebration' of anything relating to war or the military, Anzac Day is a celebration and recognition of the 'Anzac Spirit' which personally I think died out when the first generations of 'me' appeared in the late 80's, so each to their own as you have tried to say

I, for one, will not even stoop to giving this DH an answer.

from Melbournefc twitter:

Neville Jetta, wearing our Indigenous jumper for AFL Indigenous Round at TIO Traeger Park Oval pic.twitter.com/BJ2cdu5Rs0

Jumper looks great, but, gee, Jetta looks really slight.

Edit: spelling

Got a big head, too. Maybe it's the camera?

I, for one, will not even stoop to giving this DH an answer.

I say clown, if that is aimed at me, it is how I feel about Anzac Day personally, nothing whatsoever to do with you, and I don't tut tut anybody else from holding it in high esteem, which they do, there are a couple of us having a debate here, a proper debate, something you wouldn't recognise , so butt out....personally I identify more with the Indigenous Rd, but wouldn't mind a Multi Cultural round or diversity as someone has suggested

Not you, but thanks x

I say clown, if that is aimed at me, it is how I feel about Anzac Day personally, nothing whatsoever to do with you, and I don't tut tut anybody else from holding it in high esteem, which they do, there are a couple of us having a debate here, a proper debate, something you wouldn't recognise , so butt out....personally I identify more with the Indigenous Rd, but wouldn't mind a Multi Cultural round or diversity as someone has suggested

He isn't talking about you.

Well, if the oppression and shaming of a group by race is representative of a collective interpretation of racial identity, what's "pride", specifically? Isn't it the same thing?

This is kind of my point.

I am not actually against the week as a recognition of culture, because culture shapes ideas and identity. I get that. I just find that in the same way collective norms have fuelled racial tension, specific recognition of race -- being "proud" of the colour of your skin -- walks the same line of division.

Indigenous players, collectively, have not contributed to our game, in the same way the "white" race hasn't. Indigenous players have, on their own accords, contributed to the growth of the game.

I'm just of the belief that individual growth and recognition is a great product, representative of Indigenous contribution, as opposed to a collective approach that recognises race as a product of culture (if that makes sense).

I feel that in Australia we fight fire with fire. We need greater recognition of the individual, and less of divisive "pride" in race, because said pride, specifically white pride, is also what fuelled the grubs to hurl abuse at Winmar.

I hope I'm making sense. It frustrates me that we can't have a discussion about racial recognition in this country without someone hyperventilating (not saying you are, thanks for the constructive response).

I don't feel weeks like this have helped stamp out racism. It's a greater sense of awareness in that we judge a PERSON on their acts and character, and NOT that of the colour of their skin. Evidently, a week that highlights the colour of someone's skin seems counterproductive to me.

I take your point and don't wish to sound dismissive, but you might be overthinking it in terms of focussing on race.

As you've acknowledged, it is a celebration of culture. Not just of Aboriginal culture but of Australian culture. I don't see any harm in occasionally reminding the wider population about the history and traditions of the original inhabitants. It is part of our collective history, and in that sense is very unifying.

It is also celebrating what football has done and can do in bringing people of different colours and backgrounds together. Statistically, we still have a long way to go in terms of racial divides and achieving higher living standards for all, but this is an opportunity to focus on the good. In football we have an arena where everyone is truly, wholly, equal. That should be celebrated.

And then, yes, there is celebrating the contribution of indigenous players. This is the element that opponents tend to focus upon in questioning why indigenous players should be singled out in this way. But pause to think of what the game would be missing over time without the unique skills of your Riolis or your Krakeours. They bring a rawness in their style of play that is unique and has helped to shape the game.

Overall, there is a lot to celebrate. Rather than focussing on why we shouldn't be doing it, think about the reasons that we should, and take a moment to feel proud about it.

Personally i would expand Indigenous Round to Multi-cultural Round. I belive it would be an even bigger celebration of all the nationalities and cultures that have come into our great game.

Then we can wrap them all up into an Australia day game & holiday. but we don't play Yet in January? so we better just move Australia Day to a more Civilised date.

then we can all Celebrate & give thanks for all that we have, & be happy together, under the Southern Cross.

"Pride" movements arise from a history of oppression and shaming. Black pride in America, ga* pride in Oxford St, Indigenous pride here and in other countries all arise because people have been badly treated and told that it's too bad, they deserve it because of who they are - not because of what they do. Rather than hide your identity - pass for white, pass for straight (if either of those are even possible ), people who have been assigned a flawed identity decide to accept heir identity and actively assert that it is not flawed. Racist comments over the fence, or on the field, are attempts to shame people who have felt the sting of that contempt for years, all for the pathetic purpose of putting them off their game or provoking retaliation. Think of Nicky Winmar proudly pointing at his black skin - that action has resounded through Aboriginal communities throughout Australia.

The AFL has decided that racial insults will only harm the game, and have rightly taken steps to suppress them. The indigenous round is a way of encouraging supporters to recognise and value the part indigenous footballers play in our game - and the part football plays in bonding indigenous communities.

Edit - strange censorship rule in Oxford St.

Edit again - REALLY strange censorship rule

they not only harm the game, they are against the very foundations of Australian Egalitarianism, the whole meaning of a 'the Aussie Fair Go', & of mateship. And the very nature of what drove our 'Diggers', who relied on that mateship to Arm them to fight through the mountains of New Guinea, against insurmountable odds & illness.

To protect all that we stand for as a New, (& Ancient) Nation.

Our very fibre of what we stand for is mateship & togetherness. not exclusion & contempt.