The 2014 AFL National Draft

[dee-luded 2,959]

Crack the sh its

Haha, I know the feeling. I want Shiel, Treloar, a KPF in Boyd or Patton and GCS's McKenzie, please.

I desperately want a trade for Shiel, & a tall 197cm key utility (Jaksch, doesn't have to be this year).

And from this draft Petracca sounds great...... Along with the true small forward we need (Pickett), & also the midfielder-3rd-Tall Utility in (Lamb). somewhere around picks 8-15 ?

I reckon these players would give us the difference, & versatility & class, onto our list to go along way to repairing our lacking 'Class'.

[dee-luded 2,959]

i expect gws to pick petracca.

we'll be quite happy with brayshaw i expect.

wouldn't surprise me to see the Saints grab him. Or even try to trade their pick like we did last year. to get 2 for one?

[dee-luded 2,959]

Take him with our number 2 pick... or trade it for Treloar.

I don't get why people are talking about Treloar? Great player, but looks settled to me this year, where Shiel looks to be cruising in 3rd gear, looks to want out to me.

Lets go after the ones we can get first. Shiel will be every bit as good or better once he's settled... then package in Jaksch; & also a deal for Tomlinson, not necessarily in this order.

we need so many players to get to the top.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Oh and can I have Prestia too, please? :D

IMO we can be patient with the 'Pres',,, as we improve & they plateau, which they will once in the top 6, then maybe we can strike a Blow on the fruiterer.

[Whispering_Jack 30,036]

I get worried about players who rely on power at under age level. Also Trengove tested well but I always felt he was a tall in a small body.

I want to see him play like a midfielder with a bit of class. I just didn't see it in that one game.

Actually Bob. I don't think Jack Trengove's testing serves your argument very well here at all because if Petracca and Brayshaw test as well for their endurance, they would be definite shoe ins in terms of their ability as footballers to run in games.

Also, one of the last players I recall whose style was criticised for relying on power at under age level was Ollie Wines. I believe there are some around Demonland who may have regrets that we overlooked him. Of course, it works both ways because others knocked Jackson McRae because he was a virtual unknown in junior circles and people had no idea about his stamina.

Although physical testing remains important, there are other tests you need to apply and that is whether a kid can actually play football. I think we finally now have recruiters who can discern that a lot better than the mug who had the job a few years ago.

[What 18,810]

Its time to be ruthless and get guys like Shiel, Cameron, Boyd without giving up our top 5 picks

[whatwhat say what 22,745]

And how do you propose doing that hogan? Magic beans?

[Coup Cooper 610]

And how do you propose doing that hogan? Magic beans?

Der

[Machsy 2,858]

Its time to be ruthless and get guys like Shiel, Cameron, Boyd without giving up our top 5 picks

Hilarious!

[old dee 23,787]

Its time to be ruthless and get guys like Shiel, Cameron, Boyd without giving up our top 5 picks

Could you please explain who that is achieved hh?

[rpfc 28,386]

Its time to be ruthless and get guys like Shiel, Cameron, Boyd without giving up our top 5 picks

Ruthless

Rooth-less adj.

1. Attaining something in an impossible scenario.

2. To get something worth something, with nothing.

3. To expect an unrealistic happenstance.

Edited July 14, 2014 by rpfc

[dee-luded 2,959]

Actually Bob. I don't think Jack Trengove's testing serves your argument very well here at all because if Petracca and Brayshaw test as well for their endurance, they would be definite shoe ins in terms of their ability as footballers to run in games.

Also, one of the last players I recall whose style was criticised for relying on power at under age level was Ollie Wines. I believe there are some around Demonland who may have regrets that we overlooked him. Of course, it works both ways because others knocked Jackson McRae because he was a virtual unknown in junior circles and people had no idea about his stamina.

Although physical testing remains important, there are other tests you need to apply and that is whether a kid can actually play football. I think we finally now have recruiters who can discern that a lot better than the mug who had the job a few years ago.

they say, Nicho has a great beep test.

[What 18,810]

Could you please explain who that is achieved hh?

Pick 21 + Jack Watts for Dylan Shiel

Pick 39 + Jeremy Howe + Jimmy Toumpas for Jeremy Cameron and Adam Tomlinson

Edited July 14, 2014 by hogans_heroes

[Machsy 2,858]

You're... special.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Actually Bob. I don't think Jack Trengove's testing serves your argument very well here at all because if Petracca and Brayshaw test as well for their endurance, they would be definite shoe ins in terms of their ability as footballers to run in games.

Also, one of the last players I recall whose style was criticised for relying on power at under age level was Ollie Wines. I believe there are some around Demonland who may have regrets that we overlooked him. Of course, it works both ways because others knocked Jackson McRae because he was a virtual unknown in junior circles and people had no idea about his stamina.

Although physical testing remains important, there are other tests you need to apply and that is whether a kid can actually play football. I think we finally now have recruiters who can discern that a lot better than the mug who had the job a few years ago.

they say, Nicho has a great beep test.

[old dee 23,787]

Pick 21 + Jack Watts for Dylan Shiel

Pick 39 + Jeremy Howe + Jimmy Toumpas for Jeremy Cameron and Adam Tomlinson

Honestly hh there is no official at GWS that would entertain that deal.

You want them to give up potential club champions for average players and average picks.

If you want something good you have to trade something good.

It is that simple good for average does not work

[dee-luded 2,959]

Its time to be ruthless and get guys like Shiel, Cameron, Boyd without giving up our top 5 picks

No, not with GWS.

they are our salavation; burn them at our own peril. we can have a mutual benefit society, based on trust & win-wins. trash that & they will suitor other clubs... the $cully deal has turned for us atmo.

[Ted Lasso 19,513]

Pick 4 to the suns for 11&15

Pick 3 & 11 for shiel and orourke

Pick 15 for Tom Mitchell

Pick 22 for tommlinson

New midfield and versatile hardworking tall

[Slartibartfast 17,261]

Actually Bob. I don't think Jack Trengove's testing serves your argument very well here at all because if Petracca and Brayshaw test as well for their endurance, they would be definite shoe ins in terms of their ability as footballers to run in games.

Also, one of the last players I recall whose style was criticised for relying on power at under age level was Ollie Wines. I believe there are some around Demonland who may have regrets that we overlooked him. Of course, it works both ways because others knocked Jackson McRae because he was a virtual unknown in junior circles and people had no idea about his stamina.

Although physical testing remains important, there are other tests you need to apply and that is whether a kid can actually play football. I think we finally now have recruiters who can discern that a lot better than the mug who had the job a few years ago.

I think if you read the posts I've made here my concern is that we don't make the mistake of taking a footballer who is not a genuine midfielder. I'm not saying Petracca isn't and that's why I asked the questions I did.

In the past we made terrible mistakes by taking footballers who we thought would develop into mids - Blease, Tapscott, Strauss, Bennell and Jetta. And before that the classic example was Sylvia. From what I saw of Petracca, and I've acknowledged that it's only one game, he didn't look like a genuine mid, he looked like a tall flanker who's main attribute was his marking which I don't think is enough of an asset at AFL level.

IMO we need a genuine ball accumulator like Sloane, Shuey, Redden, Rockliff and Beams to name just a few we passed on, who can participate in possession chains and has the agility to find space in tight and make and execute good decisions.

Clearly the recruiting department will have the necessary information and do due diligence and I'm not questioning that. I'm just discussing the type of footballer we want and asking if Petracca has those attributes.

[Ted Lasso 19,513]

Brayshaw is your Sam Mitchell

Petracca is your Nat Fyfe

[whatwhat say what 22,745]

Brayshaw is more Trent Cotchin, Petracca is more Neck Tatts.

[Machsy 2,858]

I think they are both poor comparisons.

[whatwhat say what 22,745]

fwiw, i don't think either brayshaw or petracca are in cotchin or martin's class.

[rjay 24,917]

Brayshaw is your Sam Mitchell

Petracca is your Nat Fyfe

Doesn't look cleaver enough to be Sam Mitchell.

[Machsy 2,858]

Yeah, Dustin Martin would be my comparison for Petracca.

A poor man's Martin, but stronger overhead.

Maybe a bit of early ROK in him.

Brayshaw is more like... I'm not sure.

Matthew Boyd with better disposal?

Comparisons with Sam Mitchell or Wines are well off.