Really Nasher . Poorer effort.

The comparison is someone who CAN play at finals pace and do well as to a player still struggling in a rabble.

Reality is Wines is far more polished and capable right now. He is hardly likely to undergo a massive reverrsal. Is way ahead of Toumpas

The fact that you think Nasher's point was poor is just another example of how pathetic your view on this is.

McFlog a late out for Carlscum. Beautiful

I want Carlton to win, it would be hilarious.

Agreed. Show 'em how to use 9th place.

Terrible umpiring for both sides so far.

I want Carlton to win, it would be hilarious.

Win win for us, I hate both of them so it would still be ok if Carlton lose, just better if they win.

Looks as if they won't now, though.

The fact that you think Nasher's point was poor is just another example of how pathetic your view on this is.

Why dont you allow him to talk for himself Im sure hes quite capable

That you re blinkered to the obvious is no surprise

Really Nasher . Poorer effort.

The comparison is someone who CAN play at finals pace and do well as to a player still struggling in a rabble.

Reality is Wines is far more polished and capable right now. He is hardly likely to undergo a massive reverrsal. Is way ahead of Toumpas

It amazes me that so many think that if a player does well in his first year he's destined to be just an ordinary player, whereas a player that is ordinary in his first year will develop in to a star.

There is always the possibility that the player who plays well in his first year will just get better and better, Ollie will be a star.

Go Tiges!

The fact that you think Nasher's point was poor is just another example of how pathetic your view on this is.

Really, I generally respect belzebub59 views.

:rolleyes:

Go Tiges!

Which ones?

Anyone else see Carlton's water girl?!

Anyone else see Carlton's water girl?!

No why do you ask?

The umpiring has been terrible, I think to Carlton's detriment. 3 goals from fifties to richmond, 6 goals from frees and double the free kicks to the tiges. I hope the dees get that treatment next time we make a final.

umpiring very Tiggy touch. But a bit both ways. Makes it hard to play when its like that.

Come ON Toiges... dont let the scum back in !!!!!!!

C'mon Tigers...Do it for my Grandad...

And, relevantly, Toumpas will be an elite player.

In due course.

I hope so RB

Because similar thinks were said about Cook, Gysberts, Morton, Bennell, Trengove and Tapscott.

Only Trengove left and he is not exactly setting the world on fire four years and 79 games in.

Ripping finals series so far, I haven't watched a lot of football this year but all the finals have been great games.

Which ones?

G

OK...what was wrong with that punch through at teh ball up in square ??

Why dont you allow him to talk for himself Im sure hes quite capable

That you re blinkered to the obvious is no surprise

I have no idea what you mean by 'blinkered to the obvious'.

Your Toumpas-Wines arguments are getting worse by the day.

It amazes me that so many think that if a player does well in his first year he's destined to be just an ordinary player, whereas a player that is ordinary in his first year will develop in to a star.

There is always the possibility that the player who plays well in his first year will just get better and better, Ollie will be a star.

I'm sure most people on here think Wines will end up a very good player.

That conclusion is not mutually exclusive from arguing that Melbourne did not make a mistake in taking Toumpas.

It amazes me that so many think that if a player does well in his first year he's destined to be just an ordinary player, whereas a player that is ordinary in his first year will develop in to a star.

There is always the possibility that the player who plays well in his first year will just get better and better, Ollie will be a star.

You are so right! Melbourne missed another star for a potential good playerJust like Martin for Tenners Why do we get it so wrong all the time Just so poor

you cant argue the point huh Titan so you argue the man.. try going to that actual thread.

I have no idea what you mean by 'blinkered to the obvious'.

Your Toumpas-Wines arguments are getting worse by the day.

I'm sure most people on here think Wines will end up a very good player.

That conclusion is not mutually exclusive from arguing that Melbourne did not make a mistake in taking Toumpas.

Perhaps you should re read what I said.

My comment wasn't just restricted to Wines/Toumpas. I was told repeatedly that Cook would develop in to a very good player, I said he wouldn't; which side were you in that argument.

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Please please don't let that insufferable bunch of [censored] at Carlton win. Between Judd and Robinson I can't decide who's head I'd rather punch first.

Perhaps you should re read what I said.

My comment wasn't just restricted to Wines/Toumpas. I was told repeatedly that Cook would develop in to a very good player, I said he wouldn't; which side were you in that argument.

Your argument was clearly made in reference to Wines-Toumpas, so I'm not sure what point there is going on about Cook (who, for the record, I thought was a terrible draft choice).

Yes, you're absolutely right, having a good first year may mean you end up have a great career. But at the same time, having a good first year might mean nothing about where you end up in your career. Thus, the mere fact Wines has had a better first year than Toumpas does not mean he is the better player overall, and thus does not mean we should have taken him.

you cant argue the point huh Titan so you argue the man.. try going to that actual thread.

I've argued the point repeatedly, and will continue to do so.