Please excuse me whilst I go be sick...

You don't want to be as successful as the Hawks for the next thirty years?

You don't want to be as successful as the Hawks for the next thirty years?

I'd prefer Geelong or Sydney successful

I'd prefer Geelong or Sydney successful

I'm sick of Sydney and Geelong always winning, prefer to see a Hawks and Fremantle Grand Final.

I'd prefer Geelong or Sydney successful

I no longer care about the method.

I do not want to be liked

I just want wins and many of them the method I could not care about.

As I have said elsewhere I look forward to be universally hated by all and sundry

For being winners at all costs.

I no longer care about the method.

I do not want to be liked

I just want wins and many of them the method I could not care about.

As I have said elsewhere I look forward to be universally hated by all and sundry

For being winners at all costs.

Or to be the hardest team to play against!

Or to be the hardest team to play against!

Sort of PJ

Those words don't sit well with me.

Sort of PJ

Those words don't sit well with me.

In principal, the words are okay. We just need some substance before we make predictions like that.

I'm with you OD; I'd be happy to be hated because I'm tired of the total indifference people have to MFC at the moment. People have even stopped laughing at us. The ultimate turn around will be when we can generate the same passions as those shown towards Collingwood, et al.

Predictions for Prelims?

Hawks and Freo by 39 and 1/2 plus. I have tipped Hawks to break the hoodoo last year but just cannot see the cats with the depleted line up they have getting anywhere near them.

Odds and noteables for this weekend:

Hawthorn $1.41 - Geelong $3

Rioli and Franklin both in

Chapman out (suspended)

Fremantle $1.30 - Sydney $3.70

Tippet and Mitchell out

Ibbostson out

PJ do you know what Hawks into Freo above 39.5 is paying?

Would just love to see the Cats and Swans both get up but just can't see how they can.

PJ do you know what Hawks into Freo above 39.5 is paying?

Would just love to see the Cats and Swans both get up but just can't see how they can.

Hawks are $3.70 and Freo are $3.10 for 40+. I don't gamble but those are pretty interesting odds.

Also here are the odds to win the flag:

Hawks $1.95

Freo $3.25

Geelong $5.25

Sydney $9

Me too but with Tippett out Sydney don't really stand a chance. He has let the league for kicks to inside 50 since he got off his suspension this year and combine that with Goodes out + young guns like Mitchell it doesnt look good.

Also Geelong will have Enright out who they have always heavily relied on... he has only missed 7 games since 2007 and played in every win against the Hawks since the Kennet Curse.

From an entertainment perspective - I'd like to see a Freo Hawks final. Shame about Ibbostson being out though

Great game. I love Friday night footy. Would be better if the Dees were out there.... I live in hope.

Insipid umpiring (for both teams, mainly against Hawthorn with pathetic holding the ball decisions) and insipid goal kicking.

Insipid umpiring (for both teams, mainly against Hawthorn with pathetic holding the ball decisions) and insipid goal kicking.

Are you taking the mickey with the holding the ball comment? Both Geelong and Hawthorn have been rooted by the umpires' inconsistency when it comes to htb decisions. It's probably evened out in the end though, so I guess nobody has been disadvantaged particularly by the poor umpiring.

Edited September 20, 201312 yr by Chook

Are you taking the mickey with the holding the ball comment? Both Geelong and Hawthorn have been rooted by the umpires' inconsistency when it comes to htb decisions. It's probably evened out in the end though, so I guess nobody has been disadvantaged particularly by the poor umpiring.

No, early on they were paying holding the ball for players simply being tackled, irrespective of if there was prior opportunity or the player was attempting to dispose of the ball.

No, early on they were paying holding the ball for players simply being tackled, irrespective of if there was prior opportunity or the player was attempting to dispose of the ball.

So you agree with me then. Inconsistent.

But who else is loving this Hawthorn failure? I know I am.

I'm loving it as well!

Not sure how it will end but Clarkson has made a monumental coaching blunder in taking off Bailey. They had Geelong cold with Hale on Rivers now they've evened the contest and let them off the hook. Vardey is now winning the ruck contest against lesser rucks in Hale and Roughy.

I know this has been a planned move during the season but sometimes you need to watch the flow of the game, definitely back Geelong's way and it's Clarkson's mistake.

I bet Rivers is happy with his move.

Good on him hope it works out for him.

Rivers kicks on the full...

It's anyone's game..

So you agree with me then. Inconsistent.

But who else is loving this Hawthorn failure? I know I am.

Not inconsistent, just poor.

How many Grand Finals in recent years have been decided by poor goal kicking? Still such an important part of the game.

Get stuffed Hawthorn.

The end of the Kennett Curse?

Then Geelong slow the game down, should have put the foot down.