I am bemused when peoples around the world burn effigies. I am passionate about many things but burning an effigy? Closest I came was burning a Tom Scully effigy ( for what its worth I still think he'll stay)

i am a big fan of effigy burning.

Media stunts involving mock funerals or indeed fake funerals are a big part of my armory as well.

The guy who makes the Uncle Sam effigies in the middle east could make a bit more effort with his creations.

Also -if you are going to burn a bloody flag or an effigy ,I would like to see it light up in one go .

Nothing more annoying than watching a three second news grab turn into a six second news grab because the effigy isn't flammable enough .

You would think some of these oil rich nations could work it out .They give effigy burners everywhere a bad ,neigh ,incompetent ,name.

BB so what you think about a country that would deliberately destabilize another democratically elected government eg Australia?

i am a big fan of effigy burning.

Media stunts involving mock funerals or indeed fake funerals are a big part of my armory as well.

The guy who makes the Uncle Sam effigies in the middle east could make a bit more effort with his creations.

Also -if you are going to burn a bloody flag or an effigy ,I would like to see it light up in one go .

Nothing more annoying than watching a three second news grab turn into a six second news grab because the effigy isn't flammable enough .

You would think some of these oil rich nations could work it out .They give effigy burners everywhere a bad ,neigh ,incompetent ,name.

Not to mention the added symbolism of burning Uncle Sam drenched in oil.

Seems so obvious now.

I am bemused when peoples around the world burn effigies. I am passionate about many things but burning an effigy? Closest I came was burning a Tom Scully effigy ( for what its worth I still think he'll stay)

this form of celebration right or wrong has been around for thousands of years,unlike our current standards

its also very undemocratic of you to be against such things

there's a shop in Pakistan that specialises in effigies for sale,lets not put them out of business

biff should take note that under new management the shop used different materials for the slow burning capture the news effect

that way more easterners could get their heads on telly

due to re-use of the effigies the shop now has a gauranteed to burn within 4 seconds clause

I've never understood effigy burning. It just seems so...stupid.

"Keato-the real story" part 3 tonight.

Will be funny to watch.

Smooth bastard.

Abbott would have had his arse served to him by Keating in no time.

Re Gonski as in gawnski! Christopher Pyne a snivelling liar, who would have thought?

I've never understood effigy burning. It just seems so...stupid.

Never enjoyed a Guy Fawkes night as a kid? ;-)

Re Gonski as in gawnski! Christopher Pyne a snivelling liar, who would have thought?

Now will be the real test of the media and Shorten's leadership.

"There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead" - Julia Gillard. Branded a liar.

"We will match Labor's funding for schools. We are on a unity ticket with Labor when it comes to education." - Tony Abbott or Christopher Pine, don't remember which one said that but it was on the news last night.

Let's see how this plays out. I have a feeling it won't get near as much air time as Gillard's, simply because Shorton won't attack it as brutally as Abbott did. Or maybe media interests will come into play.

Gotta say this for Abbott - the man was a damn effective opposition leader. Unfortunately tearing down others doesn't necessarily mean he'll make a good leader in government.

Never enjoyed a Guy Fawkes night as a kid? ;-)

Nah, the arson gene skipped me. Not to say I wasn't a destructive little bugger. Wrong crowd and all that.

Re Shorten, he basically seems to lack passion. He's just not a compelling character. They chose the wrong guy imo.

Not going to comment on Gonski until the full details of the Coalition plan are revealed, but the writing is on the wall. If it looks like a broken election promise and smells like a broken election promise..

What Abbott did not tell the truth during the election campaign! What a surprise!

To be honest that a real issue with the government of the day and the electors. There is less and less trust due to repeated Brocken promises by both parties.

The people only really have a choice between dumb and dumber these days.

Now will be the real test of the media and Shorten's leadership.

"There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead" - Julia Gillard. Branded a liar.

"We will match Labor's funding for schools. We are on a unity ticket with Labor when it comes to education." - Tony Abbott or Christopher Pine, don't remember which one said that but it was on the news last night.

Let's see how this plays out. I have a feeling it won't get near as much air time as Gillard's, simply because Shorton won't attack it as brutally as Abbott did. Or maybe media interests will come into play.

Gotta say this for Abbott - the man was a damn effective opposition leader. Unfortunately tearing down others doesn't necessarily mean he'll make a good leader in government.

twas Abbott

Hey Robbie how is your lot going now? We have upset the Indonesians. Now Julie has upset the Chinese for heavens sake! They are probably just scared of her eyes. Pyne has lied about Gonski and Abbott just flounders about In poorly lit press conferences as if he had a skin problem he hopes the lights won't show up. Oh and where would I start on Scott "it's an operational issue, so I can't say" Morrison!

Robbie its going really well at this stage and using the standards set in the last parliament by Abbott and Pyne can I call them liars? But yes you have three years for your lot to get their act together but of course their act is well and truly together now to meet their masters demands. Rupert is happy, BHP is setting up your climate change policy. What other big capitalists are being looked after? Business Council are they looking at work conditions for the least powerful, i.e. migrant casual cleaners, as they do every few years?

I mean I find the reneging on promises on Gonski quite amazing. The LNP are taking a big political hit for what? The money is the same, it just seems they are obsessed with pushing ever more money to the elite schools at the expense of public schools! For what gain? It just doesn't make any sense but then that is assuming Pyne is logical. I fear he is an ideologue more interested in trashing the previous government ideas than looking to do any good. Going well so far, what eight weeks in!

Oh sorry I forgot to add East Timor as well to our disgruntled neighbours! It is not Tony's fault of course, all these things go back to Howard and Rudd but Tony has to deal with it all. Lets see how he deals with this diplomacy.

He has failed every test so far so let's hope he is learning.

Here is the real Tony Abbott

Here is the real Tony Abbott

Actually, after Shorten copping a few less than flattering reworkings of his name, the opposition has come back rather nicely with Pyneochhio.

Actually, after Shorten copping a few less than flattering reworkings of his name, the opposition has come back rather nicely with Pyneochhio.

Hey Robbie how is your lot going now? We have upset the Indonesians. Now Julie has upset the Chinese for heavens sake! They are probably just scared of her eyes. Pyne has lied about Gonski and Abbott just flounders about In poorly lit press conferences as if he had a skin problem he hopes the lights won't show up. Oh and where would I start on Scott "it's an operational issue, so I can't say" Morrison!

Robbie its going really well at this stage and using the standards set in the last parliament by Abbott and Pyne can I call them liars? But yes you have three years for your lot to get their act together but of course their act is well and truly together now to meet their masters demands. Rupert is happy, BHP is setting up your climate change policy. What other big capitalists are being looked after? Business Council are they looking at work conditions for the least powerful, i.e. migrant casual cleaners, as they do every few years?

I mean I find the reneging on promises on Gonski quite amazing. The LNP are taking a big political hit for what? The money is the same, it just seems they are obsessed with pushing ever more money to the elite schools at the expense of public schools! For what gain? It just doesn't make any sense but then that is assuming Pyne is logical. I fear he is an ideologue more interested in trashing the previous government ideas than looking to do any good. Going well so far, what eight weeks in!

Once he's cleaned up the shyte your mob left things will improve no end. What do you think Labor would have done about Indonesia and China?

Give me a run down on how Bull Shitten would have handled it? Or would the Rudster just whisper a few words of Mandarin to the Chinese to ease their concerns?

Maybe Rudster would prostate himself in from of the Indonesians and beg their forgiveness. Love the way the Left create the Indonesian mess then scream like stuck pigs when the Libs aren't prepared to grovel to clean it up; they and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Just keep on reading the Age and that will help you reinforce your prejudice.

Actually, after Shorten copping a few less than flattering reworkings of his name, the opposition has come back rather nicely with Pyneochhio.

Yes what have we had today short change Shorten and shambles Shorten to add to Electricity Bill! I mean when do I start laughing at this puerile rubbish? Have the Libs hired a comedy writer? If so who is paying, the taxpayers or the party?

Prickly Pyne comes to mind. What a joke he is. Going to set up his own system but he has never even understood the Gonski report. He is on record as stating he wants to go back to the Howard model but has since denied he ever said that. I mean the man is an absolute abomination.

Once he's cleaned up the shyte your mob left things will improve no end. What do you think Labor would have done about Indonesia and China?

Give me a run down on how Bull Shitten would have handled it? Or would the Rudster just whisper a few words of Mandarin to the Chinese to ease their concerns?

Maybe Rudster would prostate himself in from of the Indonesians and beg their forgiveness. Love the way the Left create the Indonesian mess then scream like stuck pigs when the Libs aren't prepared to grovel to clean it up; they and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Just keep on reading the Age and that will help you reinforce your prejudice.

Robbie thanks for the in depth analysis. Very helpful at this stage. You have used Bull Shitten, do you want to send that one through to Mr Pyne, I am sure he could use it to deflect people away from his " shall we say by his own standards a blatant lie to not implement Gonski". Ten weeks in and we have a diplomatic crisis and a broken pre election promise, every week. Going well so far.

Robbie thanks for the in depth analysis. Very helpful at this stage. You have used Bull Shitten, do you want to send that one through to Mr Pyne, I am sure he could use it to deflect people away from his " shall we say by his own standards a blatant lie to not implement Gonski". Ten weeks in and we have a diplomatic crisis and a broken pre election promise, every week. Going well so far.

You get what you deserve; vey little.

Answer my question, how do you think Labor would have handled this, after all they created the diplomatic mess. Would they grovel or would they just tell the Indonesians to [censored]. Which choice would you be in favour of?

Just remind yourself; who created the Diplomatic mess and would they ALP side with the Yanks over the Islands or would they side with China against Japan?

Maybe Rudster would prostate himself in from of the Indonesians and beg their forgiveness.

So painful - but it might work.

So painful - but it might work.

He might even prostrate himself; who knows.

i must have been thinking that Rudd was a big Pr!ck.

seems the only thing to apologize for is getting caught

couldn't surely promise to not do it again (be a monty to break the promise)

Australia spies on Indonesia (proven)

Indonesia spies on Australia (proven)

It seems to me that if you are going to spy on a country it makes sense to spy on the chief decision maker, the man at the top

that's just efficiency, not much point spying on low level functionaries

It also seems to me that SBY is ensuring the issue is blown up as much as possible. the cynic in me sees a connection with upcoming indo elections

I also find it just a little amusing that the media sat on this info until Abbott came into power

You get what you deserve; vey little.

Answer my question, how do you think Labor would have handled this, after all they created the diplomatic mess. Would they grovel or would they just tell the Indonesians to [censored]. Which choice would you be in favour of?

Just remind yourself; who created the Diplomatic mess and would they ALP side with the Yanks over the Islands or would they side with China against Japan?

Robbie

To answer your question I have no idea how a Labour Government would handle this but that is not the point. Tony is in the chair and I am merely maintaining the high standards of Government demanded by the former Opposition. That is that the Government of the day must be utterly perfect and anything that goes wrong at the national level must be attributed to the Prime Ministers incompetence. We had this for the last three years, why should I be cutting Abbott any slack? He set the standard. He needs to be judged by his own high standards!