You can look at this two ways.

Firstly if you dont want to be abused by supporters then stay off social media.

Alternatively, there is passion in that response. It obviously hit a nerve. The players are hurting.

You can look at this two ways.

Firstly if you dont want to be abused by supporters then stay off social media.

Alternatively, there is passion in that response. It obviously hit a nerve. The players are hurting.

But it hit the wrong nerve. It didn't hit the "I'm embarrassed about my team's performance and attitude" nerve. It hit the "I'm trying so lay off me because it's just a job" nerve. Not good.

That attitude is probably an accurate description of how some thing to be honest. But I dont blame them entirely. 186 is still raw.

Then how come he is still on the rookie list?

He was not elevated at the end of 2012 and will only get a game if someone goes down with a serious injury.

List management Old Dee. If we elevated him last year someone else would have had to have been traded/delisted and possibly paid out on their contract.

This way he can stay on the rookie list for his second year, cost the club much less and will most likely be elevated next season after the two years.

Absolutely, think of going on a long hike and finding yourself at a magnificent breath taking destination - it's peaceful, calm and relaxing.In one way that is what it's like, you paddle out the back of the crashing waves, you sit and wait - no technology like phones or internet to distract you just the feeling of the ocean and wind with the crashing dull whitewash behind you. For a good 85-95% of that session you sit and wait doing nothing more than thinking. Sure if with mates you crack the odd joke and odd smile but majority of that time you sit, wait and think and there is no shrink in the world that can equal that thought process. Between this time you see waves coming, slightly prompted distractions and you paddle like crazy, release energy and get your mind off your thoughts for just a short period of time - whilst getting a joy or rush out of that wave. Once done back to that thinking process, slightly more relieved to realistically think and deal with the issue at hand, and so the process repeats for a couple to a several hours.Many people remain to have the old fashioned views of surfing and surfers, although majority of these people haven't tried it on their own let alone beyond the learn to surf classes held at your local beach. I would consider the remedy in the same class as playing or listening to music, or creating a piece of art although incorporating intensive burst exercise.

...and then when you're done, tell everyone all about via facebook, twitter, instagram, et al.

But it hit the wrong nerve. It didn't hit the "I'm embarrassed about my team's performance and attitude" nerve. It hit the "I'm trying so lay off me because it's just a job" nerve. Not good.

That's probably the main point I took out of it. Of course the players can go for a surf, and then can react within reason to wankers harassing them, but I found that an odd angle he took.

Magner's a [censored] peanut. Decided on that when he went all political about Gaza on Twitter, when no other AFL player found it neccesary.

We have players out there who have the temerity to live their lives after a loss.

We shouldn't be attacking them for it.

If you want to know why they weren't getting lashed at AAMI - talk to someone at the club.

I am not going to tell the players that there life is forfeit if they lose, and I will not condone Demons stalking and attacking Demons online.

These players have never been accountable. They think they can [censored] around at training for a few hours a day, and on the field once a week, and then live their lives care-free.

No.

That liberty went out the window when they started playing footy, and getting paid well for it too. A vast number of people in this country work 9-5 on less than a rookie salary, and would have been out of their job if they performed at a comparative level to these players.

I'm 18 years old, I go to uni and I'm a shop hand. I get paid maybe $150 a week, and I don't always want to work, but when I go there I make sure the job is done and that I don't go home without completing everything that's asked of me.

This group of players has been unaccountable for too long.

If they had won on the weekend, or even put in a bit of effort and lost gallantly, there wouldn't be an issue.

Magner and Bail aren't the issue, because they didn't play and were unavailable.

Jones concerns me, because I would have thought he would be a leader and encouraging the players to be accountable.

I understand that they can't sit in a locked room, and if they were given time off they have every right to go for a surf, but they should have agreed to being sensible on social media until the sting from the loss is gone.

he should take a leaf out of Mitch's book. I follow him on twitter and he posts some great pictures.

These players have never been accountable. They think they can [censored] around at training for a few hours a day, and on the field once a week, and then live their lives care-free.

No.

That liberty went out the window when they started playing footy, and getting paid well for it too. A vast number of people in this country work 9-5 on less than a rookie salary, and would have been out of their job if they performed at a comparative level to these players.

I'm 18 years old, I go to uni and I'm a shop hand. I get paid maybe $150 a week, and I don't always want to work, but when I go there I make sure the job is done and that I don't go home without completing everything that's asked of me.

This group of players has been unaccountable for too long.

If they had won on the weekend, or even put in a bit of effort and lost gallantly, there wouldn't be an issue.

Magner and Bail aren't the issue, because they didn't play and were unavailable.

Jones concerns me, because I would have thought he would be a leader and encouraging the players to be accountable.

I understand that they can't sit in a locked room, and if they were given time off they have every right to go for a surf, but they should have agreed to being sensible on social media until the sting from the loss is gone.

Okay, I agree they are in a very lucky position, they are living many Australian men's dreams. And I often shake my head at how many footy players take it for granted. I have no doubt the majority of them have no idea how lucky they are and how hard it is in the 'real world', where you come home equally as tired, with much less money, and much less adulation. However you also come home with much less (or no) public criticism. You can go surfing and post a pic of it on instagram and no-one knows you are the one that f*%$#d up a big account the day before. You can go and have a drink without people talking $hit to you about how crap you and your team are, and without being criticised that you are, god forbid, taking a few hours of time for yourself! This idea that they are 'not accountable' and not trying is ridiculous. Like I said before, the losses hurt them more than ANYBODY! I cannot fathom how seemingly intelligent people could possibly think they feel it more than the players. I am telling you, without doubt, they are trying their hardest. Maybe they are all really crap footy players, I don't know. But they have trained their ar$es off all preseason, and they all went into that game really positive, just as they did at the beginning of last season. I don't know WTH went wrong, neither do they, but all this rubbish about how much it is hurting you as a supporter, and how they should refrain from posting a pic of them surfing until the 'sting from the loss' is gone is just so silly! They are allowed to have a life! Seriously what sort of players do you think they would be if they all sat at the club 24/7 thinking and talking about footy? You know the saying- "all work and no play....".

And don't get me started on the 'role model' thing! Yes thousands of little kids look up to them, and even if they don't want to be role models, really, it comes with the job and I believe they do need to suck it up and act good for the sake of all the kids out there who don't need to think all footy players drink/take drugs etc. However, for myself, I'll be using the times footy players stuff up as teaching moments for my kids. Yes they may be a great footy players, but underneath it all, they are still just a person, like you and me, and people make mistakes. Look at how much trouble you can get into for drinking/gambling/taking drugs too much etc. I guess its a bit hard when the parents are wetting themselves when a footy players is anywhere nearby though isn't it?

Anyway, vent over, but I think people should remember basic psychology (and parenting) states that if you tell someone enough that they are hopeless, they will be. Its a self-fulfilling prophecy. Something to think about....

It will be interesting to see how Mr. Magner plays this week at Casey!

Just because you are well off and in the public's eyes does not mean you should expect to be trolled.

HFF - as priveleged a position as Magner is in, I have no idea what you are complaining about. You say you are upset with Nathan Jones over 'not being accountable.' Does this mean being trolled on social media should be accepted if one loses the weekend before?

You can troll players if you want to - just don't expect me to endorse it and don't expect me to think they deserve it.

James Magner looked dirty at training this morning. I think that he is really upset that he is on the rookie list and not playing for the Demons. Hopefully he will make it an easy decision to upgrade him to the senior list next year.

Just because you are well off and in the public's eyes does not mean you should expect to be trolled.

HFF - as priveleged a position as Magner is in, I have no idea what you are complaining about. You say you are upset with Nathan Jones over 'not being accountable.' Does this mean being trolled on social media should be accepted if one loses the weekend before?

You can troll players if you want to - just don't expect me to endorse it and don't expect me to think they deserve it.

They should be smart enough to get rid of people trolling them on Twitter, not responding with childish and bitter retorts.

We are stakeholders in this club and while the players don't answer directly to us we are important stakeholders.

He is an idiot if he thinks otherwise.

this thread still going? sheeeez