I think as long as neeld gets us somewhere around the 8 most of us will be happy, it will be crazy if we don't get results this year considering the list clear out and the improvement with training. Even if we only win 4 or 5 games again this year can we really blame Neeld? If the players put in the effort he does we should see results in no time.

If the club wins 4-5 games in 2013 it will get very ugly.

I think Mark is doing a great job, but that must transpose into wins on the park..The coach's messages must get through, if they don't he fails.

That has always been the case, Look at the NFL last monday...7 coaches got the sack!!!

It is up to the players to take responsibility for themselves..How much do they want it, How much can the coach (with Help) flick that switch?

March 31st against PA might give us all the answers...much like it did last year against Brisbane. 3 months for Neeldy to get the team primed.

March 31st against PA might give us all the answers...much like it did last year against Brisbane. 3 months for Neeldy to get the team primed.

yep early wins are crucial.

Give the whole club a shot of energy...

Any assessment of this year will have to take account of the fact that as things stand now we have the softest imaginable draw. Judgements on the basis of games or quarters won, or some other statistical measure, will be too simplistic.

We could not have hoped for a better draw in football terms, although in commercial terms (home games at the MCG against well supported clubs) it could hardly be worse.

MN has been granted something of a head start.

So, now we are awaiting the year of the Rooster?

Geez, I'm glad you clarified that.

I thought for a moment you knew something about my horse "What a Rooster"

no..what it is saying is that this second year is going to be Neeld's most important as an AFL coach.

If 2013 is not good he can kiss his career goodbye...so it will be fascinating to watch how he handles it all considering the shite he put up with in 2012.

Different people on here will all have different expectations of what "success" is.

What is yours Stuie?

I just think all those things have been said A LOT here and we don't need to keep going over it.

Winning games, that's my measure, and I've said it in the 1,274 other threads the same as this one.

Rooster Cogburn...the bounty hunter in True Grit.

I didn't know that was John Waynes character.

No you didn't start the thread..i did you strange little man.

winning Quarters here and there or the odd stat count won't cut it for me anymore.

It is about the amount of times the ball goes through the big sticks.

Simple.

I think these could be construed as my basic expectations for 2013

Sorry if you don't understand Mr Hur.

don't get sucked in to those who are so thinly 1 dimensional.

this is why we keep failing for this attitude only cares for pedantic-ness & not about team success.

they're successes are only about trying to be right instead of the club winning.

winning is about understanding, respect, & comradeship together with a hardworking hunger for the taste of Wins. not about fluffing about with how one spells a word.

We can keep on track by not feeding the sticklers for nothingness.

I just think all those things have been said A LOT here and we don't need to keep going over it.

Winning games, that's my measure, and I've said it in the 1,274 other threads the same as this one.

but Stuie it is now 2013. It is no longer "The future" & it is from now on the coach's job is on the line.

I think he will enjoy the challenge but whatever tact he chooses, it has to work.

There are no acceptable excuses like there have been in the immediate passt.

but Stuie it is now 2013. It is no longer "The future" & it is from now on the coach's job is on the line.

I think he will enjoy the challenge but whatever tact he chooses, it has to work.

There are no acceptable excuses like there have been in the immediate passt.

Uggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this stuff has been posted a million times.......

With our draw...I think we should expect a top 8 finish! How many free kicks do the AFL need to give us before we capatalise?

Uggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this stuff has been posted a million times.......

so has the potential of all the players who are no longer on our payroll.

I hope Jared Rivers really regrets walking.

The rest...meh.

I seriously doubt Neeld works on a calendar year. He would have started this year way before the season proper ended in 2012.

What is pass mark on Neeld this year?

8 wins with improved efforts/games against the top 4 teams.

If the team wins quaters or dominates periods of the game against the likes of Hawthorn, Collingwood, West Coast (in Perth) and Sydney, I'll be very happy. It means we can match it with best and we are heading towards a game plan that will stand up in finals. Consistency will come later on.

Uggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this stuff has been posted a million times.......

Then why are you still on here reading it Stuie? Even better, start a topic of your own...

It's all been said before, but what about people who are new on here, they may want to discuss it.

Then why are you still on here reading it Stuie? Even better, start a topic of your own... It's all been said before, but what about people who are new on here, they may want to discuss it.

Because I keep getting sucked back in by people replying to me here... I did start a topic of my own, about ex-Dees, trying to get some different discussion topics going until training starts again... Fair point about new people etc, but it seems the same old posters are bringing out the same old cliches about "make or break" blah blah...

No you didn't start the thread..i did you strange little man.

winning Quarters here and there or the odd stat count won't cut it for me anymore.

It is about the amount of times the ball goes through the big sticks.

Simple.

I think these could be construed as my basic expectations for 2013

Sorry if you don't understand Mr Hur.

wyl I don't care if we put the ball through the stick 5 times once we keep the opposition to 4

I don't want us to get steamrolled anymore, I expect to beat the sides we should beat and win the majority of those who we expect to finish around us namely:

Should beat

Dogs, Port, Suns, Giants

Win the majority of games against

Bombers, Tigers, Lions, Saints, Roos

if we do that and perform well against the other sides whilst sneaking a few wins I will be happy next year with a view to continued improvement in 2014.

For me it's not about winning 10 games and losing 12 it's about the way we win and how competative we are in our losses, we are coming from a long way back. It doesn't mean I am setting the bar low it means I am looking at the big picture. Whenwe next make teh 8 I don't want to be there to make up the numbers

Edited January 2, 201312 yr by Pennant St Dee

wyl I don't care if we put the ball through the stick 5 times once we keep the opposition to 4

I don't want us to get steamrolled anymore, I expect to beat the sides we should beat and win the majority of those who we expect to finish around us namely:

Should beat

Dogs, Port, Suns, Giants

Win the majority of games against

Bombers, Tigers, Lions, Saints, Roos

if we do that and perform well against the other sides whilst sneaking a few wins I will be happy next year with a view to continued improvement in 2014.

For me it's not about winning 10 games and losing 12 it's about the way we win and how competative we are in our losses, we are coming from a long way back. It doesn't mean I am setting the bar low it means I am looking at the big picture. Whenwe next make teh 8 I don't want to be there to make up the numbers

i would be most happy with that as well don't worry.

My main point is that i want the entire team to go onto the ground thinking that they have the ability to win.

Not just a quarter here and there but a sequence of games.

Its been a long long time since this club won 5 in a row...

Losing 5 close ones is not good enough,

I can't believe such a ridiculous OP has garnered 40 replies, and I further can't believe I'm adding another.

I can't believe such a ridiculous OP has garnered 40 replies, and I further can't believe I'm adding another.

To be fair the OP has contributed to 15 of the posts

I agree, I cant believe Im contributing, but how else can you stop the incessant posts of the OP. Will the penny ever drop???

To be fair the OP has contributed to 15 of the posts

I agree, I cant believe Im contributing, but how else can you stop the incessant posts of the OP. Will the penny ever drop???

At least his contributions are on the topic.

At least his contributions are on the topic.

Hmmm. not sure about that

Hmmm. not sure about that

so what are you expecting to see in Neeld's second year in the job?

I'd like the team to move the ball in a much faster and fluent way . More use of the corridor (not necessarily the middle of the ground, the corridor these days is quite wide) . When we've got the ball we need to play much more instinctive football and become pro-active rather than re-active . More teamwork and spread is required and we have to make better position . Gut running and creating space is a non-negotiable . Our smaller forwards and crumbers must be able to work with Dawes, Clark and Pedersen .

The team needs to continue on the path of 'accountable' footy with a big emphasis on the defensive skills of the game . We have to start winning the count in 'contested footy' , 'hard ball gets' and 'clearances' . Our list must be able to play the 'modern' game (the forward press and the defensive flood should start becoming 2nd nature) . Our kicking and general disposal skills has to improve quite a lot .

It's a lot to ask but we need to do all that and lots more if we're going to start getting into contention .

That's partly what I expect the whole football dept to have as their goal . It's not just about Neeld . Mark needs to have the coaching staff all on the same page and working as a cohesive unit .

Edited January 2, 201312 yr by Macca

Ill go even further by saying the first 10 games are critical for the club.

If we have the same start at last year the jungle drums will start beating.

What if we have a bad year?

A few injuries and lose a few close games?

Who would coach us if we sacked Neeld?

Who would want too?

What would they do different?

He needs more than 2 years to change the sh!t that we have been for the last 6 years, there will be KPI's but it couldnt be win/lose. I think he is the right man for the job if he is given enough time. Dont get me wrong I'd love to see more wins than losses but I think when Neeld took over we all agreed to take a journey...

On the reality bus