If Neil Craig is fronting the press, I think its more to coincide with training day. Fielding questions on where certain players are at and alike.

No point the press asking him about the tanking question, he'll just tow the party line etc.

Can only wait and see I guess.

Funny game of chess this.

If Neil Craig is fronting the press, I think its more to coincide with training day. Fielding questions on where certain players are at and alike.

No point the press asking him about the tanking question, he'll just tow the party line etc.

I cannot in my wildest dreams imagine he will not be asked.

PS Perhaps he is leaving!

I cannot in my wildest dreams imagine he will not be asked.

PS Perhaps he is leaving!

come on Old Dee, thats not even funny!!!

come on Old Dee, thats not even funny!!!

Not even worth a slight smurk?

Not even worth a slight smurk?

Ha! yeah there was a big smurk, followed by a horrible feeling of what if?

Neil Craig is an odd choice to be fronting the media in regards to this.... are we sure the presser is about the tanking allegations?

I would have thought if anything, it might relate to any disciplinary action they might be taking against the Boxing Day Test transgressors.

I would have thought if anything, it might relate to any disciplinary action they might be taking against the Boxing Day Test transgressors.

You could be on the money Hardtack

I'd lay off McLean who appears to be just a bit naive. You don't want him to recant his recantation.

This canting and recanting , then re-recanting proves that Mclean is just a cant.

Somewhat changes the nature of the statement doesn't it! Have edited now

and I agree that they AFL in their statement will come down a little harder than insufficient evidence - they will say something like "you've been bad, you've been terrible but not bad or terrible enough that we can actually charge with you anything".

Let the charade continue.

I always liked Brock, I think he's a pretty genuine straight down the line sort of character. He answered honestly and said what he said OTC, and after being interviewed about it on probably multiple occasions has belatedly realised that his comments have caused issues for people he didn't intend them to cause issues for. By backtracking he takes a fair bit of sting out of the whole case.

No doubt the AFL are trying to pressure us into taking a deal the way they have done with other clubs previously (e.g. the Collingwood betting case with Shaw and Maxwell), but I'd like to see us stand strong. If they want to have an ugly tanking debate in public then we can talk all day about Richmond, Carlton, Fremantle, West Coast, Collingwood and the others that have had games where they have rested/experimented/etc.

No doubt the AFL are trying to pressure us into taking a deal the way they have done with other clubs previously (e.g. the Collingwood betting case with Shaw and Maxwell), but I'd like to see us stand strong. If they want to have an ugly tanking debate in public then we can talk all day about Richmond, Carlton, Fremantle, West Coast, Collingwood and the others that have had games where they have rested/experimented/etc.

If the club has it mind to drag these other clubs into the fray, I hope they first talk to those clubs. Maybe then those clubs will be motivated to tell the AFL to back off.

I always liked Brock, I think he's a pretty genuine straight down the line sort of character. He answered honestly and said what he said OTC, and after being interviewed about it on probably multiple occasions has belatedly realised that his comments have caused issues for people he didn't intend them to cause issues for. By backtracking he takes a fair bit of sting out of the whole case.

No doubt the AFL are trying to pressure us into taking a deal the way they have done with other clubs previously (e.g. the Collingwood betting case with Shaw and Maxwell), but I'd like to see us stand strong. If they want to have an ugly tanking debate in public then we can talk all day about Richmond, Carlton, Fremantle, West Coast, Collingwood and the others that have had games where they have rested/experimented/etc

Ummm - Brock is an imbecile ( and I apologise upfront to imbeciles for lumping Brock in with you lot)

Umm - I dont think the AFL are trying to pressure us into a deal at all and there is fair bit of difference between Collingwood betting case ( Footballers are prohibited from betting, they bet, they were guilty - black and white) as opposed to airy fairy, half baked supposition contrevening nondescript rules.

Maybe the chiefs at Carlton had a little word in Brock's ear before he went back to be interviewed. I doubt Carlton would want the MFC raising their name in any response we put together to the AFL's supposed evidence.

& maybe the Commission had a word to Car'ton, to have a quiet word to Brock, to backoff a bit.

IMO it's a very fine Wire they tiptoe along with dropoffs both sides.

Unless of course the arrangements are in place, with both the major parties happy, practice complete, & only the show to be performed... collateral damage???

& maybe the Commission had a word to Car'ton, to have a quiet word to Brock, to backoff a bit.

unfortunately if that were true d-l they would have wound up the inquiry long ago just as when they had a little word to libba

mind you in libba's case i wouldn't be surprised if the carlton-crew also had a little word and visy presented a paper bag too

That's all we need,Grant Thomas sticking his bib in, just to rile up the AFL.........It's like a bank robber saying it's not his fault.... it's the banks for keeping the money there

or,,,, the banks choosing their preferred thieves to be robbed by, & choosing others for hanging. whats the incentive, to allow some thieves,,, & have the others tortured?

Thought out all of this farce it still occurs to me that had then been any real proof, any damning evidence of , not only tanking but the 'intruction to do so ' then it would have been outed by now, if fact ages ago. There would have been an announcement by teh league to the effect that it had uncovered " this that ot something Z' and that this official , and the club as a co conspirator , will be charge under section ##.

It would be out there, the gun , the smoke and the GSR for all to see ( and understand )

It wouldnt need A Three Stooges led Inquisition over half a year to result in a ream and a half of "something that might be, but we're not too sure, but hoping it is " rubbish.

This is trial by mud. There is possibly the hope that the club will panic and confess to a wrongdoing that the AFL has yet been unable to actually quantify or qualify.. It hopes somethig will stick even if it doesnt have a clue itself.

Yes this is Stooging and the AFL want us to come up with the laugh lines .

As Thomas suggests , the joke is really on them.

but the pantomime is for all wanna be coaches, administrators, & club boards, to travel this road again.

maybe we should put on a pantomime, aimed at Sports Commissions...

& maybe after that, we should get representation on such sports commission.

and I agree that they AFL in their statement will come down a little harder than insufficient evidence - they will say something like "you've been bad, you've been terrible but not bad or terrible enough that we can actually charge with you anything".

Let the charade continue.

Spot on in my book - and said in about 300 less words!

You should think things through on their merits and not based on your desire to disagree with all I say for the purpose of ridicule.

The only person you're making look silly is yourself. It changes the dynamic whether you like it or not and raises the stakes for all concerned.

your continual representation of your mates you rub elbows with, is tiresome & s,mug. You come here to tell people how to think & feel.

Go back to your elbow knockers & leave the real supporters to support in our/their ways.

You keep wanting to teach everyone the realities of life, as you see it. a sort of gofer, running from trench to trench... how about you pick up your own rifle & jump in line with the rest of the diggers.

& stop playing games with the supporters on here.

when did this site become demonology

there is nowhere else to flee now

you really think it would die down?

every article about mfc in the press would have some little snide remark tucked in somewhere

and tanking threads here would run into the 100's of pages

sponsorship and membership numbers would be affected

arguments on governance and executives would rage

none of the above would necessarily be fair but still inevitable

NO, get it over quickly (edit: without capitulating that is)

they will anyway DC, especially if its found, no case to answer.

the footy supporters are angry, even if they are in denial about their own clubs, they want a example set, so the AFL is in a quandary & don't want to admit liability from their side of the saga.

If we lodge an action in the supreme court & get a date in very late 2014 (December), it will die off as people dose off into the pre season comps. IMO.

when did this site become demonology

there is nowhere else to flee now

wait till rangey comes back

when did this site become demonology

there is nowhere else to flee now

Not knowing what Demonology is like, nor worry to. This is still Demonland. ..its always had its yips !!

Argy-bargy is fine, strong and considered debate is encouraged. It just gets a little deerailed from time to time. Such is life.

We're big boys ( and some gals )

The biggest problem with this whole farce is that the draft & priority pick systems have given a new perspective to list management.

Worth remembering that list management existed in the same form before there was a priority pick system or even a draft.

All club with no chance of playing finals sent players for surgery, played young players & experimented with positions.

And it was accepted behaviour then even if the motivation was different.

The motivation was created by the AFL.

thats right,as soon as a club was out of the finals race (pre draft & PP), they would start aiming at improving for the following season.

I feel sorry for Dean Bailey.

wait till rangey comes back

Is MJT rangey?