Jump to content

AFL investigation

Featured Replies

CAC was a sort of infrequent regular here..

Schwabby , a couple of times.

But they are the ones we KNOW :unsure:

 
Not even that many. The Chairman, Schwab and Bailey must know and I suppose CC. Nobody else.

If anything is in writing it's keystone cops stuff.

If you want a harmonious coaching box the assistants have to know.

I think all the board members have to know too - it's a pretty important strategic matter - they're giving their precious time FOC - if it was me and I strongly disagreed with the strategy, was not included in the decision and found out it happened I'd be ropeable - plausible deniability or not.

All the people who need to know must have skin in the game - it seems we had people who knew but who really had no influence or skin in the game.

But our opinions count for nothing really. What are we going to do, stage a sit in and demand an election.

You place far too much importance on a fan forum. Demonland is like Big Footy - it gives us a kick but the outside world see it as a joke and a pretty unpleasant one at that.

Last year on the WILSON thread, Ben_Hur had this to say to you about a salient point you made to him some time ago: -

Have you forgotten about the importance of the written word, which is why you took the time to stand up for the club under adversity ? It was a salient point you made to me many years ago. You were talking about on-line criticism of the club and the adverse impact it could have.

Of course you favoured the Board in those days.

 

Was it here or 'ology that Craig Cameron used to visit at draft time and if my very dodgy memory serves me right I think Cam Schwab came on here as well .

yes both Craig & Cam have posted here

Demonland is a very good place to gauge opinions & emotions from a club perspective.

We are all paid up members who contribute 12 months per year.

If i was on the MFC board i would be a reader for sure.

Similar to ratings on TV. A sample Audience will be expanded to gauge the mass appeal or dislike of certain shows.

the main audience, for Melbourne demons passionate supporters, there would be nowhere better to gauge.

If you want a harmonious coaching box the assistants have to know.

I think all the board members have to know too - it's a pretty important strategic matter - they're giving their precious time FOC - if it was me and I strongly disagreed with the strategy, was not included in the decision and found out it happened I'd be ropeable - plausible deniability or not.

All the people who need to know must have skin in the game - it seems we had people who knew but who really had no influence or skin in the game.

Well we better be sure to NOT do anything against our elected Board members at all, or prior to the AFL handing down they're ironical dee-terminations.

some who new,, but with no skin it seems, in the games? > the AFL Commission today, & for the past 12 or so years.

who's skin will the AFL Commission wear, masquerading,, when tomorrow comes?

 

WJ, I had the impression you were desiring to fight for our Clubs reputation, & also for Schwab & Connoll's?

Have you changed your feelings about this?

Is our defence team going to fight the AFL, for the rights of Schwab & Connolly?

We are a focus group, all with one common interest, the MFC.

I think you'll find in the main we are considered a rather ignorant group of footy tragics who speculate on things and offer little insight. But if you want to pump up your own tires do so. I

Would you not concede though that its as good a place as any to sow a seed ??

No, I think it's a pretty stupid place to start. Just read this thread.

Was it here or 'ology that Craig Cameron used to visit at draft time and if my very dodgy memory serves me right I think Cam Schwab came on here as well .

They may read it but they wouldn't make any major decision based on what is written.

If you want a harmonious coaching box the assistants have to know.

I think all the board members have to know too - it's a pretty important strategic matter - they're giving their precious time FOC - if it was me and I strongly disagreed with the strategy, was not included in the decision and found out it happened I'd be ropeable - plausible deniability or not.

All the people who need to know must have skin in the game - it seems we had people who knew but who really had no influence or skin in the game.

Don't agree. Libba knew what was happening without a word being mentioned, it's why Carlton are safer than us. The Board need plausible deniability, you can't have that if they all know. The decision was obvious, everyone "knew" what was going on, but the assistants and the Board needed to say "no strategy around tanking was ever discussed or mentioned".


Geez Fan, I might get clobbered on here. I am agreeing with more of what you say. As for "focus groups"???!!! Forum's of any description are about vested interest, that is why people participate in forums, as it either floats their individual boats or antagonises the BDM enthusiasts. The process of selecting focus groups is about profiling and selection, it is certainly not random. It is a bit like talkback radio hosts which claim their callers speak for the "silent majority" Absolute twaddle.

I just enjoy myself here

It's somewhat amusing to read the suggestion that if we were to have the temerity to defend ourselves then this must somehow result in bankruptcy.

...

It's a straw argument to purport we go to court and go broke. This will never go to court nor was it going to. What needed to be understood by the inquisitors was our preparedness to do so, push come to shove. I.e we were/are willing to blow a mighty hole in the ivory tower lest you back off and F off !! It's. ploy, a gambit. But it's a reasonable and real one.

I'd rather we went to court and got into financial trouble, than roll over and take it.

This is a new MFC we're seeing and I'm liking it.

I think you'll find in the main we are considered a rather ignorant group of footy tragics who speculate on things and offer little insight. But if you want to pump up your own tires do so. I

What an odd comment to make.

I'd rather we went to court and got into financial trouble, than roll over and take it.

This is a new MFC we're seeing and I'm liking it.

i agree. If we roll over in any way to the AFL the club will die.

If it takes short term pain but the balls finally drop i will support the club all the way.

If we bend over and take a smack then it will be curtains for the MFC 1858.

Geez Fan, I might get clobbered on here. I am agreeing with more of what you say. As for "focus groups"???!!! Forum's of any description are about vested interest, that is why people participate in forums, as it either floats their individual boats or antagonises the BDM enthusiasts. The process of selecting focus groups is about profiling and selection, it is certainly not random. It is a bit like talkback radio hosts which claim their callers speak for the "silent majority" Absolute twaddle.

I just enjoy myself here

Be careful. Your about to join the small group who is conspiring to overthrow the incumbent Board, replace the CEO, put the coach on notice and financially ruin the Club. Not only that but we are singlehandedly responsible for the leaks to the press of the contents of a report we don't have about events that didn't happen. Sadly nobody has been able to nail our motive yet but when they do I'm sure we'll hear about it.

I enjoy myself here as well mostly. Don't forget that Demonland is read by many but only contributed to by a few.


Perhaps Fan could suggest where else the MFC might get a free feel for what its fans (including Fan) might be thinking??

There may be reasons to give what they see here appropriate low weight and do other surveys etc, but I'd be very surprised if they didn't keep an eye on these forums. I'd go further and say they were negligent if they did not. If you think that is pumping up our tyres, so be it.

And yes, IVS, it is a bit like talk back radio. But name a political party other than maybe the Greens which doesn't take close note of the ranting that goes on there.

I think you'll find in the main we are considered a rather ignorant group of footy tragics who speculate on things and offer little insight.
Well at least we know how you would value financial supporters of the club Fan.

Good on ya.

Training notes, every piece of club media debated and discussed on here and you dismiss it.

It gives a pretty good insight into what people are thinking on all levels.

Can be read anywhere & is always growing.

Perhaps Fan could suggest where else the MFC might get a free feel for what its fans (including Fan) might be thinking??

And yes, IVS, it is a bit like talk back radio. But name a political party other than maybe the Greens which doesn't take close note of the ranting that goes on there.

Spot on.

Political parties follow the media trends daily to gauge perceptions.

People are paid to listen & watch.

The MFC can quietly oversee this sight for nothing.

Perhaps Fan could suggest where else the MFC might get a free feel for what its fans (including Fan) might be thinking??

There may be reasons to give what they see here appropriate low weight and do other surveys etc, but I'd be very surprised if they didn't keep an eye on these forums. I'd go further and say they were negligent if they did not. If you think that is pumping up our tyres, so be it.

And yes, IVS, it is a bit like talk back radio. But name a political party other than maybe the Greens which doesn't take close note of the ranting that goes on there.

Yes but Polls are meaningless! aren't they?

or is it only the polls at the AGM?

:wacko: I feel dizzy, Which party are we anyway? spin, spin, 'oh' the AFL party, thats "right", or was that all thats 'left'??? :(

Bring IT On!


i agree. If we roll over in any way to the AFL the club will die.

If it takes short term pain but the balls finally drop i will support the club all the way.

If we bend over and take a smack then it will be curtains for the MFC 1858.

Im not sure it will be curtains if we bend over but I have supported this club through good times and bad and good decisions and bad decisions - rolling over would rate as the worst decision I can remember

(disclaimer - I need to temper this by stating that I am basing this on media reports of the evidence to hand - ie no smoking gun - just evidence of positional moves, rotations, silly CC comments, fumbling and Jack Watts not playing and missing out on the brownlow )

Perhaps Fan could suggest where else the MFC might get a free feel for what its fans (including Fan) might be thinking??

There may be reasons to give what they see here appropriate low weight and do other surveys etc, but I'd be very surprised if they didn't keep an eye on these forums. I'd go further and say they were negligent if they did not. If you think that is pumping up our tyres, so be it.

And yes, IVS, it is a bit like talk back radio. But name a political party other than maybe the Greens which doesn't take close note of the ranting that goes on there.

From the regular member surveys the MFC conducts? As for pollies, say no more. Pollies are more interested in what their opposition counterparts may be saying on the public airwaves. Besides, Political parties monitor all media, not just talkback. More importantly, they do their own "private" polling.

I simply make the point, vested interest forums do not necessarily speak for the majority. They are simply there for the entertainment of the participants.

From the regular member surveys the MFC conducts? As for pollies, say no more. Pollies are more interested in what their opposition counterparts may be saying on the public airwaves. Besides, Political parties monitor all media, not just talkback. More importantly, they do their own "private" polling.

I simply make the point, vested interest forums do not necessarily speak for the majority. They are simply there for the entertainment of the participants.

They are a cross section of the supporter base.

If you were looking for feedback on any proposal you would look to your own first, surely.

 

They are a cross section of the supporter base.

If you were looking for feedback on any proposal you would look to your own first, surely.

Correct, that is why the MFC conduct the surveys they do, as do all clubs.

They are a cross section of the supporter base.

If you were looking for feedback on any proposal you would look to your own first, surely.

Yep, I can just imagine someone saying 'lets topple Don and oust Cam. But first lets ask the people on Demonland what they think".

Robbie read this thread and tell me what you think sophisticated thinkers would think.

If you think you're insights or mine would be of interest you're dreamin'.


Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Featured Content

  • PREVIEW: West Coast

    Saturday’s election night game in Perth between the West Coast Eagles and Melbourne represents 18th vs 15th which makes it a tough decision as to which party to favour. The Eagles have yet to break the ice under their new coach in Andrew McQualter who is the second understudy in a row to confront Demon Coach Simon Goodwin who was also winless until a fortnight ago. On that basis, many punters might be considering to go with the donkey vote but I’ve been assigned with the task of helping readers to come to a considered opinion on this matter of vital importance across the nation. It was almost a year ago that I wrote a preview here of the Demons’ away game against the Eagles (under the name William from Waalitj because it was Indigenous Round).  I issued a warning that it was a danger game, based on my local knowledge that the home team were no longer easybeats and that they possessed a wunderkind generational player in Harley Reid who was capable of producing stellar performances playing among men a decade and more older than he.  At the time, the Eagles already had two wins off the back of a couple of the young man’s masterclasses and they had recently given the Bombers a scare straight after their Anzac Day blockbuster draw against the then reigning premiers.

      • Haha
    • 1 reply
    Demonland
  • NON-MFC: Round 08

    Round 08 of the 2025 AFL Season kicks off on Thursday with a must-win game for the Bombers to stay in touch with the top eight, while the struggling Roos seek a morale-boosting upset. Friday sees the Saints desperate for a win as well if they are to stay in finals contention and their opponents the Dockers will be eager to crack in to the Top 8 with a win on the road. Saturday kicks off with a pivotal clash for both sides asthe Bulldogs look to solidify their top-eight spot, while Port seeks to shake their pretender tag. Then the Crows will be looking to steady their topsy turvy season against a resurgent Blues looking to make it 4 wins on the trot. On Election Night a Blockbuster will see the ladder-leading Pies take on the Cats, who are keen to bounce back after a narrow loss. On Sunday the Sydney Derby promises fireworks as the Giants aim to cement their top-eight status, while the Swans fight to keep their season alive. The Hawks, celebrating their centenary, will be looking to easily account for the Tigers who are desperate to halt their slide. The Round concludes on Sunday Night with a top end of the table QClash with significant ladder implications; both Queensland teams are in scintillating form. Who are you tipping this week and what are the best results for the Demons?

      • Like
    • 3 replies
    Demonland
  • PREGAME: West Coast

    The Demons hit the road in Round 8, heading to Perth to face the West Coast Eagles at Optus Stadium. With momentum building, the Dees will be aiming for a third straight victory to keep their season revival on course. Who comes in and who goes out?

      • Thanks
      • Like
    • 302 replies
    Demonland
  • REPORT: Richmond

    The fans who turned up to the MCG for Melbourne’s Anzac Day Eve clash against Richmond would have been disappointed if they turned up to see a great spectacle. As much as this was a night for the 71,635 in attendance to commemorate heroes of the nation’s past wars, it was also a time for the Melbourne Football Club to consolidate upon its first win after a horrific start to the 2025 season. On this basis, despite the fact that it was an uninspiring and dour struggle for most of its 100 minutes, the night will be one for the fans to remember. They certainly got value out of the pre match activity honouring those who fought for their country. The MCG and the lights of the city as backdrop was made for nights such as these and, in my view, we received a more inspirational ceremony of Anzac culture than others both here and elsewhere around the country. 

    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • CASEY: Richmond

    The match up of teams competing in our great Aussie game at its second highest level is a rarity for a work day Thursday morning but the blustery conditions that met the players at a windswept Casey Fields was something far more commonplace.They turned the opening stanza between the Casey Demons and a somewhat depleted Richmond VFL into a mess of fumbling unforced errors, spilt marks and wasted opportunities for both sides but they did set up a significant win for the home team which is exactly what transpired on this Anzac Day round opener. Casey opened up strong against the breeze with the first goal to Aidan Johnson, the Tigers quickly responded and the game degenerated into a defensive slog and the teams were level when the first siren sounded.

    • 0 replies
    Demonland
  • PODCAST: Richmond

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Monday, 28th April @ 8:00pm. Join Binman, George & I as we analyse the Demons 2nd win for the year against the Tigers.
    Your questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show.
    If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a human.
    Listen LIVE: https://demonland.com/
    Call: 03 9016 3666
    Skype: Demonland31

    • 29 replies
    Demonland