Sounds like a pick one.....but he won't go #1 will he?

He's been talked up as pick 2. All year it's been Whitfield pick 1, Grundy pick 2, Toumpas pick 3.

Whitfield will go pick 1 to GWS. GC don't need a ruckman so will take a midfielder with pick 2. Hopefully Grundy is there at pick 3, so we can snatch him up and a mid with pick 4.

Jamar is still going ok. Hopefully with a good preseason he can have another season like 2010 and really have a big impact. Grundy is an ideal replacement though. Bigger than Jamar already, very aggressive, and has good pace and marking ability. He often scores as a target up forward. If we can get him as a ruckman who rotates forward, with his skill, aggression and size, we're onto a winner. He could step straight in.

interesting article and also shows that we should get viney with our second rounder given GWS and Suns have more important players to grab.

At a club with a great midfield, like Collingwood Jamar's tapwork would be really valuable. But for us his main skill - only skill - isn't utilized nearly enough.

If JV comes to us in the second round, it'll be the steal of the century.

We need impact players now....we can't wait for developers.

Further, big guys take years to develop.

I say a big no.

Grundy is already playing seniors in the SANFL, 202cm and 100kg, kicks goals up forward... Rendell thinks he can have an impact in his first year in the AFL,... curious why you don't?

I don't know if we should/will get him, but to say that he is not developed and will not is maybe a little premature.

Jamar is next to useless I can't fathom why we signed him for 3 years. A stupid mistake. The only thing he can do is win taps but even when he does they go nowhere. Has had one good season in 2010. That's it. For a player that's been on our list since about 2004 that's a whole lot of crap being served up.

Saw Mark running the tan yesterday looked to be fit and well and was pushing himself with interval sprints

Maybe he has been injured I hope so because he was next to useless the whole year

Needs to impact the game

Oh by the way its not until you pass them closely you realise how big a ruck man is. He is huge

Jamar has carried injuries right through 2012. He did look very slow. Very strong and determined will have a much better 2013 and hopefully re-establish himself. IMO he's not far behind Jolly.

He is miles behind Jolly, to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. For starters Jolly can kick, something which I would have thought is an integral part of being a footballer.

3 years. Does this mean he has "bought in" ?