True Gonzo.

I hate the smugness of those Hawks pricks who have never been to the wilderness.

I feel like they need to learn about loss.

I want them smashed-I want them crying and bleeding.

Sorry to disagree Biffen but I admire the Hawks they represent everything that the MFC does not.

Right now I am on the Hawks band wagon.

Go Hawks

Ben - are you saying you've NEVER had a Demon as a favourite player or just not right now? Surely the Ox met your criteria.

I've only ever had one true "love" with regards to a player and that was Flower.

I've had plenty I really liked and respected: Wells, Healy, A. Johnson, Viney, Lyon, Schwarz, Neitz, etc. But I love stars of the game and I've only ever seen one at my club. Even bloody St.Kilda have had more in my time. And even Freo have had one since the VFL changed its name in 1990. Pavlich is a better player than any we've had since 1990.

Sorry to disagree Biffen but I admire the Hawks they represent everything that the MFC does not.

Right now I am on the Hawks band wagon.

Go Hawks

Definitely respect the team - the point was moreso about the supporters though who have never experienced anything like we have. Oh they had a poor season in 2004? Boohoo, that's been our lot for at least half of our supportuing lives.

Is my support for the Dees unconditional? YCBYFLOI!!

Unconditional.

My support/love for the team never waivers, much like family/girlfriend it gives you the shits from time to time, but at the end of the day the love and emotional investment (if you like) I have for it just keeps me coming back for more.I want to be around for when the players and coach gets the job done.

When that eventual 13th Premiership Cup does get hoisted by the Captain/s and Coach of MFC, I'm taking a week off work which will consist of drinking booze and watching the winning GF DVD over and over and over again. Then I'll watch it some more.

On further reflection, I don't have a tipping point simply because I don't follow the game that much to care.

I was born one day and got a Demons scarf and that was that. We lived in League territory throughout my early childhood and knew nothing of the Demons in the early '90s. We came to Melbourne in '95 but it wasn't until '97 that I was brought to a game - Greg Hutchison's first as caretaker. We won. I was a paid-up member the following year and continue to do so today.

I've been to 90% of home games since 1998 but it was only since 2008 that I've actually closely followed the Demons. Before then it was purely entertainment. And I accepted being a Demon supporter like I accept the bulbous nose on my face. Eventually I'll come round and embrace it. And I have.

But now I have reached an age where I can make my own choices. I love the MFC right now and it gives me great joy to support them. But the MFC owes nothing to me. If I lose interest, for whatever reason, then I'll walk away. That won't happen overnight, although another long, dark period like this one might do it.

If the Demons move to Hobart or fold then I'll pull up stumps quickly but I sense most of the 85% 'unconditonals' would too, so that doesn't necessarily count.

I'm just happy with the here and the now. So, umm ... I'll be a [censored] and vote C because I wouldn't vote for A or B.

Damn, that reads like a typically conservative, fair-weather Demons' supporter.

But you know what? Whilst I'm knee-deep in it, I will be as wildly passionate (read: feral) for the Demons as any one of you.

Red & Blue till either me or the club passes, thats all that needs to be said

This is a thought provoking thread and I've searched for a tipping point and I can understand some including the OP'er, having a tipping point or two in their support. I have a belief that deep down people like the OP'er have unconditional support for Melbourne. They just don't realise it. In other words, the club could totally stuff up this draft period coming and there would still be a glimmer of hope for them. As long as there is hope they have something to hang onto. They've said it themselves. They may see it as a tipping point, it's just that right now they can't quite see beyond. Because they see this draft period as being absolutely critical - which I can relate to and totally understand.

I harbour the same thought process as the OP'er with respect to winning a flag. That's what I want to see and live through. I admit that when I was younger and even not that long ago, I've been obsessed with this thought. Still am, like others though I've become jaded, but my support has not wavered. I emphasise every now and then the need for the best midfield in the comp, the need for quality players, improved list, star players, non negotiables, strong leadership, improved culture. I go giddy sometimes just thinking about it. When don't I think about it?

I thought 2011 was as low as it could get (186, this following 2007-09), then 2012 came along. Event after event, the media pounding us to a pulp, loss of sponsor, racist claims, Jimmy, Jurrah, a 4-18 record, no apparent improvement to our midfield...further wholesale changes to come. Where was the tipping point?

I'm still here, so are many more of you. Resilience.

I share the same favourite moments as BH mentioned - Viney's snap (nothing could beat us that day after that release among the faithful), and R22 the week before.It will turn around BH, and as you stated not that long ago on here, you will be there for the 13th, with your brother on the steps of the MCC. Unwavered and unconditional in support and by god, full of joy.

My support is undoubtedly unconditional. I can't see it any other way. You may refer to it as blind faith, I know it as what I love. And that's fine with me.

I'd say yes it is.

I'm attached and emotionally invested in supporting the MFC, the AFL as a whole has started to lose me, for many little reasons my love for the game isn't what it once was.

I want to see the MFC succeed, I've come too far to ever give up just because some ningnongs come along and stuff us up more than we've already been stuffed up. There's always a chance we'll get it together and win that flag, and that's what this 30 years and counting of supporting this club has been and will continue to be about.

As long as we're here my support is unconditional. However if the AFL chose to put a bullet in the MFC's head I'd be out of my misery.

This is a thought provoking thread and I've searched for a tipping point and I can understand some including the OP'er, having a tipping point or two in their support. I have a belief that deep down people like the OP'er have unconditional support for Melbourne. They just don't realise it. In other words, the club could totally stuff up this draft period coming and there would still be a glimmer of hope for them. As long as there is hope they have something to hang onto. They've said it themselves. They may see it as a tipping point, it's just that right now they can't quite see beyond. Because they see this draft period as being absolutely critical - which I can relate to and totally understand.

I harbour the same thought process as the OP'er with respect to winning a flag. That's what I want to see and live through. I admit that when I was younger and even not that long ago, I've been obsessed with this thought. Still am, like others though I've become jaded, but my support has not wavered. I emphasise every now and then the need for the best midfield in the comp, the need for quality players, improved list, star players, non negotiables, strong leadership, improved culture. I go giddy sometimes just thinking about it. When don't I think about it?

I thought 2011 was as low as it could get (186, this following 2007-09), then 2012 came along. Event after event, the media pounding us to a pulp, loss of sponsor, racist claims, Jimmy, Jurrah, a 4-18 record, no apparent improvement to our midfield...further wholesale changes to come. Where was the tipping point?

I'm still here, so are many more of you. Resilience.

I share the same favourite moments as BH mentioned - Viney's snap (nothing could beat us that day after that release among the faithful), and R22 the week before.It will turn around BH, and as you stated not that long ago on here, you will be there for the 13th, with your brother on the steps of the MCC. Unwavered and unconditional in support and by god, full of joy.

My support is undoubtedly unconditional. I can't see it any other way. You may refer to it as blind faith, I know it as what I love. And that's fine with me.

I don't even need that now H_T

I don't think we will get that good in the next decade

Just a good side that wins more than it loses will satisfy me.

All I need is a side that plays tough is respected and I can go to matches believing we have a good chance of winning most.

Is my support for the Dees unconditional? YCBYFLOI!!

You can bet mine also OldDee.

I'd say yes it is.

I'm attached and emotionally invested in supporting the MFC, the AFL as a whole has started to lose me, for many little reasons my love for the game isn't what it once was.

I want to see the MFC succeed, I've come too far to ever give up just because some ningnongs come along and stuff us up more than we've already been stuffed up. There's always a chance we'll get it together and win that flag, and that's what this 30 years and counting of supporting this club has been and will continue to be about.

As long as we're here my support is unconditional. However if the AFL chose to put a bullet in the MFC's head I'd be out of my misery.

If the bullet comes you can always get passionate about the Davis Cup.

You can bet mine also OldDee.

wrong one gsmith12

Deeoldfart said it

Is my support of the MFC unconditional?

It all depends..............

If the bullet comes you can always get passionate about the Davis Cup.

Funny I have often wondered would I get a new side if the MFC fell over.

10 years ago yes I would have but now I would just get my winters back for something useful.

If the bullet comes you can always get passionate about the Davis Cup.

lol

Australian tennis is a lot like the MFC, some people can remember when we were good.

lol

Australian tennis is a lot like the MFC, some people can remember when we were good.

That probably covers it DA.

Just a good side that wins more than it loses will satisfy me.

I'd rather take a few big hits as long as it hardens us as a top-flight contender down the track.

This is why I hold no ill will toward Neeld. He's having a crack at least.

But that's the problem Tim - we often only realise that we're being run by monkeys until the next bunch of monkeys take over and by then we've already fallen for the spin of the new regime.

This ^^^^^^^^^

this is everything thats wrong with the modern world of business, including footy today.

Come clean, be honest, & we'll all feel respected, & pitchin to help.

bullshyte us & lose. we all lose with spin.

I've long held a suspicion that Melbourne supporters are all secret sado-masochists, how else to explain it??

Seriously though, I'm an unconditional supporter of the club, the way I feel now is that I've gone too far to ever contemplate anything else. MFC is a part of me, it's in my blood and part of my identity like nothing else. So many of my favourite memories of my family revolve around the MCG with all of us in red and blue and in some small way supporting the Dees (my club and their club) keeps me connected with those who are no longer here.

Whenever things get to me I remember my Dad's favourite saying: the club is bigger than any individual. When that fails I cast my mind back to 2000 and remember how awesome grand final week was. Our time will come and when it does it will feel even better for having stuck with them through the low times. Go Dees!!

Perhaps we, the loyal ones are so Loyal we putup with the Masochistic pain.

Perhaps those Who've left over the decades, to other teams (some I know), or to other Levels (VFL some), or away from the footy all together, are not so Masochistic?

I'm sure they're a re Many who have left out of frustration.

True Gonzo.

I hate the smugness of those Hawks pricks who have never been to the wilderness.

I feel like they need to learn about loss.

I want them smashed-I want them crying and bleeding.

WOW, I think they new about hard times immediately before they're growth spurt.

I haven't read they're History bit have the impression they were soft targets up to the mid 60's?

WOW, I think they new about hard times immediately before they're growth spurt.

I haven't read they're History bit have the impression they were soft targets up to the mid 60's?

Early 60"s dee-luded.

Up till then they could not beat time with a stick.

Have had a fair half a century since then.

Pity we did not amalgamate!!!!!

I love the MFC and always will. But like a family member, if they keep F$&@ing up there is a time where you just have to walk.

We are not at that point yet.

But if we don't play hard ball with Free Agency and recruit players we need for NOW & not in 5 years time we will go down.

The gap between top & bottom clubs is getting wider.

The time is now to pull it back otherwise it will not happen.

and when they F$&@ you over, time and again, it starts to wear thin on the umbilical chord, you know the Heart string chord.

this is why our culture impacts our decisions, & our elected types on the board, & then they're decisions made, re staff & types of players etc, which inturn effects over time the types of supporters who adopt us.

After 45+ Yrs of misery, it eats into the cultural fabric to the core.

and when they F$&@ you over, time and again, it starts to wear thin on the umbilical chord, you know the Heart string chord.

this is why our culture impacts our decisions, & our elected types on the board, & then they're decisions made, re staff & types of players etc, which inturn effects over time the types of supporters who adopt us.

After 45+ Yrs of misery, it eats into the cultural fabric to the core.

You mean we still have one left dee-luded?

lol

Australian tennis is a lot like the MFC, some people can remember when we were good.

Yep, & IMO Victorian cricket hasn't set the world onfire re test reps over the same time frame, I believe. We've had a few cricketers, just as we've had wells or Alves, & Hardeman, or Flower...

Just as the Tennis has had individuals who've gone close, but no box of cigars, & the vics have had some players who scraped into tests, but only one Vic individual has been able to dominate the Top level?

do they all share the same offices, the MFC, the MCC, & the tennis association, or are they all drinking from the same water fountains.