Just for the record, including ALL games for both here are their Supercoach averages for this year:

NikNat: 85

Watts: 72

Geez, not much difference hey, especially if you take into account the fact one is in a top 4 team and one is in a bottom 4 team...

But one influences games Stuie, the other..well we do all hope.

The key difference of course being ... one puts his body on the line in the heat of the action while the other hangs out the back getting the cheapies.

One influences outcomes. The other goes around.

Actually here's the averages for contested possessions:

NikNat 10.5

Watts 7.5

Again, considering the massive amount of possession WC lead MFC by, not much to hang your hat on.

I did actually. Eating a fantastic curry while in a bar at Lamai beach. The Australia Network was loud and clear. !!

but it must have been distracting with all those bar girls saying "love you long time wyl" and popping table tennis balls

But one influences games Stuie, the other..well we do all hope.

Yeah Stuie. How many times do you need to be told that one influences games???

Forget about the 15 "cheap", "non-contested" possessions Watts had after his first game back from 5 weeks off, well, actually first 1 1/2 quarters. That was only against GWS. Let's bring up the shocker he had last weekend agaist a Top 3 side. Forget the fact that we are sh!t and have only beaten 1 team, in which Watts got Best On Ground in.

The sooner you realise that if it wasn't for NN, the Eagles would be in the bottom 4 rather than the top 4, the better.

Actually here's the averages for contested possessions:

NikNat 10.5

Watts 7.5

Again, considering the massive amount of possession WC lead MFC by, not much to hang your hat on.

You forgot to mention these stats ...

Give up Stu. You can't win.

You forgot to mention these stats ...

Give up Stu. You can't win.

And you forgot to mention disposal efficiency, NikNat 69%, Watts 75%.... Another damning stat given top 4 vs bottom 4.

Give up RR, NikNat plays for West Coast.

Actually here's the averages for contested possessions:

NikNat 10.5

Watts 7.5

Again, considering the massive amount of possession WC lead MFC by, not much to hang your hat on.

And you forgot to mention disposal efficiency, NikNat 69%, Watts 75%.... Another damning stat given top 4 vs bottom 4.

Give up RR, NikNat plays for West Coast.

IN FACT, the stats I mention would be more towards Watts as I forgot he didn't play Round 1, so those stats are based on 15 games instead of 14 this year.

So...

Contested possession:

NikNat 10.5

Watts 8

Disposal Efficiency

NikNat 69%

Watts 80%

Don't get me wrong, I think NikNat will be an amazing player, I've said it before, but you're constant bagging of Watts is NOT supported by facts, only emotion.

You lose. Again.

Edited August 28, 201212 yr by stuie

Were we wrong to pick Luke Molan not Richard Cole in 2001?

NikNat plays for West Coast.

I know. What a bugger eh?

So what do we do Dr? Do we trade Jack, our number 1 pick from 2008, just because he isn't that crash and bash forward that we all wanted? Or, do we look at what he can do well and play him in areas that he will excel in?

At the end of the day, he's on our list, is contracted (I think), has obvious talent. He is what he is, but correct, he isn't what all wanted him to be (me included). That doesn't mean I'm going to write him off. If he were to win a Brownlow or Norm Smith playing off the half back flank, I couldn't give a sh!t that he didn't kick 70 goals that year and taken an average of 10 contested marks a game. I want the coach to play him where he is going to be of value to the team, which is what he is doing.

We don't give up on him, we have to accept that as a number 1 pick he will be just a little above average footballer, to add to our list of average AFl footballers, where as Hurley and Nic Nat will be stars of the competition over the next 5 years.

By the way his best value to the team isn't of Half Back, he isn't really that attacking Half Back Flanker, most of his disposals are deep in defense, more trying to rebound rather than real attacking running of half back and kicking to our forwards. To me we seem to be happy that he is getting 20+ touches per game, with most of these in the last line of defense, he should be the bloke that working hard off half forward to supply a hit up target, you don't need strength to work hard leading and providing an option coming out of defense.

I know. What a bugger eh?

Not for a West Coast supporter like you RR.

We don't give up on him, we have to accept that as a number 1 pick he will be just a little above average footballer, to add to our list of average AFl footballers, where as Hurley and Nic Nat will be stars of the competition over the next 5 years.

By the way his best value to the team isn't of Half Back, he isn't really that attacking Half Back Flanker, most of his disposals are deep in defense, more trying to rebound rather than real attacking running of half back and kicking to our forwards. To me we seem to be happy that he is getting 20+ touches per game, with most of these in the last line of defense, he should be the bloke that working hard off half forward to supply a hit up target, you don't need strength to work hard leading and providing an option coming out of defense.

I'll be happy if his disposal efficiency on the last line of defence remains as high as it is. I'd rather have the ball in Watt's hands in that area than Grimes'.

I love how you will give NN and Hurley 5 years to establish themselves as stars. Here's a great idea, how about we give Jack the same time, and if he isn't in their class, tehn I will say we made a mistake.

but it must have been distracting with all those bar girls saying "love you long time wyl" and popping table tennis balls

Hahaha!! No they were actually across the road. I watched the footy first, then went walkies...

Hahaha!! No they were actually across the road. I watched the footy first, then went walkies...

They must be an accurate shot if they can fire them from across the road and still land them in your pot WYL. Can they kick a footy? Perhaps we could have one playing in the forward pocket...!!!

Edited August 28, 201212 yr by billy2803

Not for a West Coast supporter like you RR.

It would be great to support a club that recruits as wonderfully as they do, but unfortunately you and I don't.

Will we get it right this year? Gosh I hope so.

It would be great to support a club that recruits as wonderfully as they do, but unfortunately you and I don't.

Will we get it right this year? Gosh I hope so.

I was meant to barrack for West Coast, family is from WA, but lucky me went to a Dees game when 7 and chose MFC... FML

I have a good feeling about this year's trade/draft season, not sure why as I don't think Viney is the best bloke in the land for it, but at least it seems like things are going to happen for a change.

They must be an accurate shot if they can fire them from across the road and still land them in your pot WYL. Can they kick a footy? Perhaps we could have one playing in the forward pocket...!!!

Bangkok is where the ping pong ball flourishes. I have seen that action. Magnificent ball control.

Bangkok is where the ping pong ball flourishes. I have seen that action. Magnificent ball control.

I was intrigued - hers or yours?

Naitanui is better, but he would have gone back to Perth as soon as his first contract expired. So, given that, Watts was a better choice as he will be a 10+ year player for us.

This poll was set up for those who like self-flagellation.

Anyway, have any of the wrist-cutting brigade forgotten that if we had selected NN, by now he might be back in WA playing for the WCE at peak form having gotten used to the game at MFC? How does that influence the 'did we get it right or wrong' question?

It is either too soon to say as many posters have said. And perhaps it will never be clear because of the 'go-home' factor which can only be decided in a parallel universe in which MFC selected him.

Edit: posted without seeing samsara's post.

Edited August 28, 201212 yr by sue

I was intrigued - hers or yours?

Well now you mention it...

here we go

1/ As of right now NN has impressed more the JW- (anyone wanting to knock NN - just wow - he is an excitement machine and will be anything !) - therefore we got it wrong

2/ NN in my opinion would have gone back to WA (or GWS) after contract one - so we got it right

3/ I try to never judge players that are 21 and not yet developed so therefore I have no idea if we got it wrong or right - time will tell.

That is all.

http://www.afl.com.a...x?newsid=140713

I believe a little while ago Mick Malthouse called Watts the best rebounding defender in the league, which is ridiculous. As is that article.

God this is very boring.

(insert reply "well stop reading and posting then" here.)

Would be nice if these posters put their energy towards good instead of evil.

Perhaps they should be put in a locked room and beat the living sh!t out of each other until the last one alive can crawl out the door.

Can this annoying poll be put on a board of its own so that it stops rearing it's ugly, childish head?

http://www.heraldsun...f-1226315897550

Looks like Leigh got it wrong on two counts.

Edited August 28, 201212 yr by Bobby McKenzie