Some horrible horrible posts in this thread...

  On 19/07/2012 at 23:01, disco_demon said:

Bater and Moloney are gone fo sho'

Firstly, Moloney gone for sure? Really dumb comment. Out of form and small chance he'll go, but "fo sho"? Ridiculous.

  On 19/07/2012 at 23:21, Hatchman said:

Bate has played pretty well this year, Moloney, Pettered and I dare say Bennell are ahead of him on the chopping block

Moloney, Petterd, and Bennell will be cut before Bate? Give me a spell mate, some may go in turn cos Neeld wants to improve the list but he's not dumb.

  On 19/07/2012 at 23:29, Curry & Beer said:

Another in a long list of duds that soaked up games, took paycheques and repaid years of faith with absolutely nothing. Meanwhile, we lose plenty of games by plenty of goals. He's not far behind Brad Miller who is at the top of this list... at least Miller wasn't a first round draft pick for Christ's sake. See ya.

C&B, that's a rubbish post bagging out a guy who has worked his a$$ off despite not being the most talented player around. Pull your head in.

  On 20/07/2012 at 01:31, why you little said:

not as bad as Gysberts or Cook though. Matty was good in his first year so i blame the training regime for a large part of his demise.

And WYL, well mate, you've been in fine form lately, spiraling out of control, Gysbters has shown pretty big glimpses inbetween unlucky injuries, and Cook is a KPF and we just have to cop it that we're developing him til he's cherry ripe.

  On 20/07/2012 at 02:38, why you little said:

No the team has been putting up the ridiculous material lately.

Gysberts pick 11. Cook Pick 12. Now that is ridiculous.

God! Give it a rest, would you?

I'm with WYL on Cook. I doubt he'll make it, but at best he'll be ordinary. He was a terrible pick 12. Terrible.

To think Atley was still available at our pick. Barry Prendergast must have gone to the Richard Griffiths school of drafting.

Gysberts and Cook won't make it. Doubt they will be on the list next year.

High draft picks we blew again.

  On 20/07/2012 at 03:17, Ben-Hur said:

I'm with WYL on Cook. I doubt he'll make it, but at best he'll be ordinary. He was a terrible pick 12. Terrible.

To think Atley was still available at our pick. Barry Prendergast must have gone to the Richard Griffiths school of drafting.

  On 20/07/2012 at 03:21, why you little said:

Gysberts and Cook won't make it. Doubt they will be on the list next year.

High draft picks we blew again.

Some of the worst posts I've ever read on any internet forum anywhere!

Clearly all you've seen of Cook is Youtube highlights. From someone who goes down to Casey often, I can tell you that Cook will be a very good player, the club are doing really well at making sure they build his body before he plays AFL footy, they simply don't want to put him in to early.

And the comments about Gysberts I assume you're both being stupid on purpose? The kids shown plenty in what were his first 2 seasons and has been injured all of this season so far. If you watched Casey play last week you would of seen he was one of the Best on Ground and was a huge part of the last quarter comeback.

Chr*st almight!

Edit: English

  On 20/07/2012 at 03:21, why you little said:

Gysberts and Cook won't make it. Doubt they will be on the list next year.

High draft picks we blew again.

Wow. Doubt they will be on the list next year? I guarantee they will be.

We'll see who's right in October.

* Although i'm not sold in Cook (at all), we'll be given another year at least to prove himself before we turf him.

  On 20/07/2012 at 03:21, why you little said:

Gysberts and Cook won't make it. Doubt they will be on the list next year.

High draft picks we blew again.

Do you actually watch these players ?????? Or do you just make up your mind because they haven't playered this year???

I have seen enough to know they were bad choices with high draft picks.

Something we can ill afford

  On 20/07/2012 at 03:26, Tall Defence said:

Some of the worst posts I've ever read on any internet forum anywhere!

Clearly all you've seen of Cook is Youtube highlights. From someone who goes down to Casey often, I can tell you that Cook will be a very good player, the club are doing really well at making sure they build his body before he plays AFL footy, they simply don't want to put him in to early.

If he's a such a good player why isn't he dominating at Casey?

Unfortunately there's only one answer to that question - he's not that good. Certainly nowhere close to being worth what we paid for him, anyway.

It was a shocking decision to take him.

  On 20/07/2012 at 03:21, why you little said:

Gysberts and Cook won't make it. Doubt they will be on the list next year.

High draft picks we blew again.

You're like a kamikaze...

  On 20/07/2012 at 03:32, why you little said:

I have seen enough to know they were bad choices with high draft picks.

Something we can ill afford

http://www.beyondblue.org.au

Get onto it mate, for all our sakes.

  On 20/07/2012 at 03:26, Tall Defence said:

Clearly all you've seen of Cook is Youtube highlights. From someone who goes down to Casey often, I can tell you that Cook will be a very good player, the club are doing really well at making sure they build his body before he plays AFL footy, they simply don't want to put him in to early.

I go and watch Casey too, champ. Cook is too slow and not aggressive enough.

How about history determine the veracity of our posts ?

But do you know what annoys me ? If I made a positive and glowing remark about Cook I'd get a couple of likes, but if I call it as I see it I'm the devil, when in reality, they're both just opinions. I post what I think, not what others want to hear.

Has everyone failed to learn their lesson from watching Jack Watts? He was torn to shreds as a complete flop by most on here despite the fact that he was(still is) very young, was physically under developed and inexperienced. Yet everyone jumped on him and proclaimed he was a basket case. Now with 50 odd games under his belt, some size he is playing consitently good footy.

Yet everyone is doing the exact same thing with Cook. WYL will end up looking very stupid, which is saying something considering he already looks pretty stupid!

  On 20/07/2012 at 03:32, Range Rover said:

If he's a such a good player why isn't he dominating at Casey?

Unfortunately there's only one answer to that question - he's not that good. Certainly nowhere close to being worth what we paid for him, anyway.

It was a shocking decision to take him.

  On 20/07/2012 at 03:41, Ben-Hur said:

I go and watch Casey too, champ. Cook is too slow and not aggressive enough.

How about history determine the veracity of our posts ?

But do you know what annoys me ? If I made a positive and glowing remark about Cook I'd get a couple of likes, but if I call it as I see it I'm the devil, when in reality, they're both just opinions. I post what I think, not what others want to hear.

You mean like Jack Riewoldt was tearing it up in the VFL in his second season??? Don't recall that ever happening for the KPF who was taken early, took till about his 4th season to really come on if I recall, might have even been a similar pick to Cook?

I'm all for calling it as I see it, yet I'll call it as I see it on players who have been at the club for awhile and have had a chance to really show what they've got. There's plaenty of players on Melbourne's list that aren't up to it, but I'm not going to point the finger at a kid who hasn't finished his first contract yet or another kid who's been injured for the majority of his third season after having 2 very good years first up.

There is only room for one of Bate or Dunn on the list next year..

As it stands now - i choose Dunn

  On 20/07/2012 at 03:43, Don24 said:

Has everyone failed to learn their lesson from watching Jack Watts? He was torn to shreds as a complete flop by most on here despite the fact that he was(still is) very young, was physically under developed and inexperienced. Yet everyone jumped on him and proclaimed he was a basket case. Now with 50 odd games under his belt, some size he is playing consitently good footy.

Yet everyone is doing the exact same thing with Cook. WYL will end up looking very stupid, which is saying something considering he already looks pretty stupid!

You are not comparing Cook to Watts are you??

My gut feel at the moment is that Cook in the long term will prove to a(nother) poor early pick in the long run, but I'm not ready to abandon all hope yet because he's only young still and hasn't had much of a run to find good form. However if the club decides it has seen enough and shows him the door, I'd accept that as I have no choice but to trust their judgement, and it's obvious that in the past we've held on to crap players for way too long.

  On 20/07/2012 at 03:58, mattjm said:

There is only room for one of Bate or Dunn on the list next year..

As it stands now - i choose Dunn

There's no room for either of them. These two will be the first two to be scotched, this is an absolute no brainer. Petterd will come in a close third.

Thats pretty much how i see it. Cook should have played at least some senior footy by now. Its not his fault, but the club loses out.

  On 20/07/2012 at 03:09, stuie said:

Moloney, Petterd, and Bennell will be cut before Bate? Give me a spell mate, some may go in turn cos Neeld wants to improve the list but he's not dumb.

Nup it makes perfect sense

Moloney is trade currency. We can actually entice another club to part with a good player for him (Boak). Bate, Petterd and Bennell we can't do that. Their currency is too low (and of those only Bate attracted interest from other clubs)

We could keep Moloney as an inside mid but Jones and Magner are ahead of him, we'll have Viney in the draft, we've got Tom Couch etc.... At his age/experience he should be the first in that list and he isn't. Plus the spell at Casey did not help. Trust me. He's gone.

Bennell over Bate? No chance. He's done his ACL, we won't see him for another 12 months and he has hardly shown anything in the games he has played whereas Bate has. Matter of fact Bate hasn't been that bad. Last weekend he wasn't great but he was far from our worst player in the previous few.

Petterd over Bate - Line ball but I'd give the nod to Bate as he is nowhere near as injury prone and Petterd has done sweet fa in two years anyway. He's got better endurance than Petterd as well, that's going to become more important given the way the game is going to change when they start capping interchange rotations.

  On 20/07/2012 at 04:49, Nasher said:

There's no room for either of them. These two will be the first two to be scotched, this is an absolute no brainer. Petterd will come in a close third.

Agreed, except on the Petterd front. Really hope we keep him and give him a decent run next year. Would much rather him as a defensive forward than Magner.

(NB- Not saying I want to ditch Magner, love the bloke, just prefer someone who can tackle, has speed, and can actually kick goals in that position)

  On 20/07/2012 at 04:54, Hatchman said:

Nup it makes perfect sense

Moloney is trade currency. We can actually entice another club to part with a good player for him (Boak). Bate, Petterd and Bennell we can't do that. Their currency is too low (and of those only Bate attracted interest from other clubs)

We could keep Moloney as an inside mid but Jones and Magner are ahead of him, we'll have Viney in the draft, we've got Tom Couch etc.... At his age/experience he should be the first in that list and he isn't. Plus the spell at Casey did not help. Trust me. He's gone.

Bennell over Bate? No chance. He's done his ACL, we won't see him for another 12 months and he has hardly shown anything in the games he has played whereas Bate has. Matter of fact Bate hasn't been that bad. Last weekend he wasn't great but he was far from our worst player in the previous few.

Petterd over Bate - Line ball but I'd give the nod to Bate as he is nowhere near as injury prone and Petterd has done sweet fa in two years anyway. He's got better endurance than Petterd as well, that's going to become more important given the way the game is going to change when they start capping interchange rotations.

Massive flaw in your logic mate, you say Moloney has currency so he's gone, but Bate has currency so he stays...

So, no, I don't "trust you" on your calls.

  On 20/07/2012 at 04:54, Hatchman said:

Nup it makes perfect sense

Moloney is trade currency. We can actually entice another club to part with a good player for him (Boak). Bate, Petterd and Bennell we can't do that. Their currency is too low (and of those only Bate attracted interest from other clubs)

We could keep Moloney as an inside mid but Jones and Magner are ahead of him, we'll have Viney in the draft, we've got Tom Couch etc.... At his age/experience he should be the first in that list and he isn't. Plus the spell at Casey did not help. Trust me. He's gone.

Bennell over Bate? No chance. He's done his ACL, we won't see him for another 12 months and he has hardly shown anything in the games he has played whereas Bate has. Matter of fact Bate hasn't been that bad. Last weekend he wasn't great but he was far from our worst player in the previous few.

Petterd over Bate - Line ball but I'd give the nod to Bate as he is nowhere near as injury prone and Petterd has done sweet fa in two years anyway. He's got better endurance than Petterd as well, that's going to become more important given the way the game is going to change when they start capping interchange rotations.

One small problem Hatchman.

Moloney is a free agent we get nothing if he leaves.

The fact that there's any argument over who is better out of Bate, Bennell, Dunn or Petterd is indicative of BH's point about forming an attachment to ordinary players. In the big picture none of these players have a role to play in our quest for glory and all should be gone at years end.

Yeah but what about Moloney ??? Lol