A little radical of an idea, but would we consider this?

If ladder stays the same, then Melb will have picks 3 and 4. If we can jag a spot higher, then 4 and 5 but i think we will be 16th sadly..

Is it worth giving these up for Pick 1 (likely the outside run and class of Whitfield we desperately need) and the ability to steal a Top 10 pick in Viney in the 2^nd round? Maybe getting GWS or GC to exchange our third round pick (43?) for their second round (23?) could sweeten the deal...

The trade would look like this:

Before Trade

Pick 3 (Viney)

Pick 4

Pick 12

Pick 25 approx

Pick 43 approx

After Trade

Pick 1 (Whitfield)

Pick 12

Pick 23 approx (Viney)

Pick 25 approx

Either option gives us 3 Top 12 quality players, but the trade allows access to the BEST midfielder rather than the option of Pick 4. Not knowing who the other candidates are, but the difference between Pick 1 and Pick 4 can be the difference between ending up with Cotchin (a pick 2) or Morton (a pick 4!!!!)

Would give the trade some thought, 50/50 on this myself. Thoughts?

I would take this deal anyday

It all depends on other clubs and where they sit on Viney. If they don't put a bid on Viney then Picks 3 and 4 and then Viney will be sweet. That is of course depending if we Completely screw these picks up. Good god I hope we don't screw it up.

F/S bidding is BEFORE the Trade Period.

So to get GC and GWS to not bid for Viney, you will have to have a 'handshake' deal in place with both.

You cannot 'trade away' that Pick 3 to keep them from making us use it for Viney.

You have to keep both teams happy and they have to take the deal on good faith and keep quiet about the conspiracy.

Its not bad Big Jim is it? Unsure if your allowed to trade the compo pick 4 though.

Downside is that instead of getting 5 players in the Top 40 odd, we only get 4, but they should be better quality??

Whitfield is meant to be head and shoulders above so hard to see it happening. Maybe though. If it was to happen I think we would be haggling over who we are picking than the draft numbers..

It all depends on other clubs and where they sit on Viney. If they don't put a bid on Viney then Picks 3 and 4 and then Viney will be sweet. That is of course depending if we Completely screw these picks up. Good god I hope we don't screw it up.

I am certain that a dummy bid for Viney will occur

F/S bidding is BEFORE the Trade Period.

So to get GC and GWS to not bid for Viney, you will have to have a 'handshake' deal in place with both.

You cannot 'trade away' that Pick 3 to keep them from making us use it for Viney.

You have to keep both teams happy and they have to take the deal on good faith and keep quiet about the conspiracy.

I wouldn't trust GWS as far as I could throw sheedy's ego!

I am certain that a dummy bid for Viney will occur

That's draft tampering.

That's draft tampering.

so apparently is "list mangement"

its dog eat dog. ..

I wouldn't trust GWS as far as I could throw sheedy's ego!

Well, if he opens his trap, he won't get whatever we offered.

Whitfield is meant to be head and shoulders above so hard to see it happening. Maybe though. If it was to happen I think we would be haggling over who we are picking than the draft numbers..

Wasn't Scully meant to be the out and out star of his draft? Martin or Fyfe anyone?

Cotchin or the spotty Blue?

Gibbs was the best young player ever.

So was Scully.

Pre-draft hype is horse-[censored]. However prodigious, I really don't want another gangly lanky midfielder in the guts. As Matt Rendell says, it's a strong draft. Let's get explosion a la Martin, Cotchin; not exquisite skills. I'm sick of that.

Ablett, Judd, Watson = big bodies, best players in the game.

Don't think it's worth giving picks 3 and 4 (if that's what they are) for pick 1. We would be effectively losing a potential 10 year player to get someone who might be a little bit better than each of the 2 that we can have as it stands. I would rather finish 12-13 on the ladder and use pick 6-7 for Viney with 7-8 and 11-12 as our other first round picks.

I'd almost guarantee Sheedy will put in a bid for young Jack regardless of where we finish just to be a [censored] even though it has no real benefit to him. The only way to negate that would be to finish last but that would mean losing to GW$ twice and I for one could not stomach that.

Gibbs was the best young player ever.

So was Scully.

Pre-draft hype is horse-[censored]. However prodigious, I really don't want another gangly lanky midfielder in the guts. As Matt Rendell says, it's a strong draft. Let's get explosion a la Martin, Cotchin; not exquisite skills. I'm sick of that.

Ablett, Judd, Watson = big bodies, best players in the game.

ummm.....did you see ablettjnr's body when he was drafted?

Wasn't Scully meant to be the out and out star of his draft? Martin or Fyfe anyone?

Cotchin or the spotty Blue?

Wasn't Fyfe 2008, the same year as Watts?

I'd almost guarantee Sheedy will put in a bid for young Jack regardless of where we finish just to be a [censored] even though it has no real benefit to him. The only way to negate that would be to finish last but that would mean losing to GW$ twice and I for one could not stomach that.

Strategically wouldn't it make more sense for the 3rd worst club to get higher picks than better performing clubs?

Gold Coast or GWS putting in a dummy bid for Viney effectively puts a better player in a better team. I don't see how that helps anyone except for said better team.

Wasn't Fyfe 2008, the same year as Watts?

Priority 1 Tom Scully Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup Melbourne

1 2 Jack Trengove Sturt SANFL Melbourne

1 3 Dustin Martin Bendigo Pioneers TAC Cup Richmond

1 4 Anthony Morabito Peel WAFL Fremantle

1 5 Ben Cunnington Geelong Falcons TAC Cup North Melbourne

1 6 Gary Rohan Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Sydney

1 7 Brad Sheppard East Fremantle WAFL West Coast

1 8 John Butcher Gippsland Power TAC Cup Port Adelaide

1 9 Andrew Moore Eastern Ranges TAC Cup Port Adelaide

1 10 Jake Melksham Calder Cannons TAC Cup Essendon

1 11 Jordan Gysberts Eastern Ranges TAC Cup Melbourne

1 12 Kane Lucas East Fremantle WAFL Carlton

1 13 Daniel Talia Calder Cannons TAC Cup Adelaide

1 14 Lewis Jetta Swan Districts WAFL Sydney

1 15 Christian Howard Glenelg SANFL Western Bulldogs

1 16 Jasper Pittard Geelong Falcons TAC Cup Port Adelaide

1 17 Daniel Menzel Central District SANFL Geelong

2 18 Luke Tapscott North Adelaide SANFL Melbourne

2 19 Benjamin Griffiths Eastern Ranges TAC Cup Richmond

2 20 Nathan Fyfe Claremont WAFL Fremantle

2 21 Ryan Bastinac Dandenong Stingrays TAC Cup North Melbourne

2 22 Gerrick Weedon Claremont WAFL West Coast

2 23 Koby Stevens Gippsland Power TAC Cup West Coast

2 24 Jake Carlisle Calder Cannons TAC Cup Essendon

2 25 Aaron Black Peel WAFL North Melbourne

2 26 Travis Colyer Claremont WAFL Essendon

Option 1. Finish last get picks 1, 2, 12, and Viney

Option 2. Finish 16th get Viney, picks 4, 12 and 22/23?

Option 3. Finish 16th, call there bluff (no Viney) and get picks 3, 4, 12 and 22/23?

Option 4. Finish 16th, make a back door deal and get Viney in the second round, other pick determined by deal.

Option 5. Finish 16th, make a back door deal and get Viney in the second round. Back flip on the deal (deny the deal existed) and get picks 3, 4 and 12.

There was a reason we declined PA offering picks 8 and 9 for pick 1 in the year we took Scully (regardless of how it turned out).

Whoever finished last won't take that deal.

There was a reason we declined PA offering picks 8 and 9 for pick 1 in the year we took Scully (regardless of how it turned out).

Whoever finished last won't take that deal.

You don't think a club would take 3 and 4 in Exchange for number 1? Mmmmmm I reckon it would. The only reason a club would offer 3 and 4 is because of our unique position where it also means you take a gun like Viney at 20 something, whilst still having another firstrounder at 12.

A big win win for both teams!

8,9's very different to 3,4 but agree no club would go for it

why did port even try that?

You don't think a club would take 3 and 4 in Exchange for number 1? Mmmmmm I reckon it would. The only reason a club would offer 3 and 4 is because of our unique position where it also means you take a gun like Viney at 20 something, whilst still having another firstrounder at 12.

A big win win for both teams!

Nope. They won't.

sorry...pipedream

You don't think a club would take 3 and 4 in Exchange for number 1? Mmmmmm I reckon it would. The only reason a club would offer 3 and 4 is because of our unique position where it also means you take a gun like Viney at 20 something, whilst still having another firstrounder at 12.

A big win win for both teams!

Nothing wrong with your thinking JJ as it would guarantee us Viney as a 2nd round pick, plus Whitfield and pick 12.

GWS might go for it for trade options (trade out pick 3 or 4 for an established player - get some other deal over the line). Other than that I could not see them budging on Whitfield. GWS become more dangerous if they don't finish last.

I think you need to look at GC as well. They may well finish last which changes everything. I would also not be so sure they would sit quietly with pick 2 without a) kicking up a stink B) throwing a spanner in the works.

It's also conceivable that we finish 17th to change the scenario again.