Pretty clear that a lot of our players do not want to learn or play the modern game. We won't get anywhere with halve our list. List the players you think shouldn't be there rd 1 2013..

Bate

Bartram

Davey

Moloney

Sylvia

Dunn

Rivers

Green

Morton

Mc donald (Joel)

Petterd

Jurrah will be in jail, Garland has had a shocker, Bartram tries but isnt AFL standard, Rohan Bail is ordinary, honestly mate I cant actually see any light at the end of the tunnel. Neeld do a Balmy and just go home at 3/4 time...

a bit harsh on Rivers, i really feel for our back line

Brian Royal.

Everyone.

Seriously.

Everyone.

Stalin would have a good solution for this lot

And it wouldn't cost much either

Pretty clear that a lot of our players do not want to learn or play the modern game. We won't get anywhere with halve our list. List the players you think shouldn't be there rd 1 2013..

Bate

Bartram

Davey

Moloney

Sylvia

Dunn

Rivers

Green

Morton

Mc donald (Joel)

Petterd

The problem is the "modern game" will have changed again in six months time. The club needs to have strategies and tactics that suit the players we do have, no matter how rubbish they may be, we can only turn over a certain number of players each week.

Our backline is ordinary as well - be honest. Garland is the champion of clangers, Rivers has a go but ive never been convinecd by him and I honestly think our backline was better with Ryan Ferguson, Bell and that bloke with the weird moustache and hair (i cant even think of his name now and I used to rate him). We are ordinary at every level.

Brian Royal.

Definitely. Would love an influential former gun player to come in.

The problem is the "modern game" will have changed again in six months time. The club needs to have strategies and tactics that suit the players we do have, no matter how rubbish they may be, we can only turn over a certain number of players each week.

Exactly, instead of trying to catch up with other teams, good sides create their own modern game.

Edited May 19, 201213 yr by Norm Smith's Curse

Pretty clear that a lot of our players do not want to learn or play the modern game. We won't get anywhere with halve our list. List the players you think shouldn't be there rd 1 2013..

Bate

Bartram

Davey

Moloney

Sylvia

Dunn

Rivers

Green

Morton

Mc donald (Joel)

Petterd

Morton and Rivers would be the only ones I'd keep out of that list. Maybe Petterd, but could be easily enticed to trade him too. Problem is, how many of those are still contracted for next season?

Our backline is ordinary as well - be honest. Garland is the champion of clangers, Rivers has a go but ive never been convinecd by him and I honestly think our backline was better with Ryan Ferguson, Bell and that bloke with the weird moustache and hair (i cant even think of his name now and I used to rate him). We are ordinary at every level.

Disagree. Most AFL defenders would struggle to contain, considering the amount of ball that comes in there so easily.

The playing list is no better or worse than half the clubs in the competition. The problem is THERE IS NO BUY-IN. Players are playing life AFL-conscripts, check-in, sign-on, train hard get fit, work hard in the pre-season, just go round during the home and aways, don't forget to have a chat and back-slap with the opposition after the game. There is no buy-in, the players don't give more than what is required to be paid. they don't believe they are at a premiership club and play accordingly. HOw many would stay if there was total free-agency, and how much better would half of them play if they were at Sydney, Hawthorn, Carlton, Essendon, Geelong, Collingwood or West Coast? The sad thing is that the end of season hoopla about new systems new fitness new everything was just top-dressing to appease the paying membership. bailey's system probably no better/ worse than neeld's. neild's system probably no better/ worse than Daniher's/ Daniher's probably no better worse than Neil Balme. I saw Balmey's team in the early 90' s clobber a team by over 100 points.

No matter what you might think - Watts is the modern day Tambling - and he panics and constantly causes turnovers.

Exactly, instead of trying to catch up with other teams, good sides create their own modern game.

We will never win games while we continue to surrender the middle of the ground to the opposition. They just have to get the ball in to the middle and they are away.

I'm not sure what our game plan entails but it seems to be, never spot up a player by himself, only kick to our players when they are outnumbered at least 2 to 1, and always give you direct opponent at least 5 metres latitude so the can mark unopposed and without to much trouble. Oh! and always keep your eye on the ball and not the player you are playing on.

Disagree. Most AFL defenders would struggle to contain, considering the amount of ball that comes in there so easily.

You must be watching a different game. Im watching the one were the defenders have spent the last 10 minutes passing between each other in a panic until the turnover inevitably happens... We cant even get it out of the back 50 - the saints kept it in there for the last quarter, similarly last week - just press it in and wait for the dees to turn it over or panic.

Stalin would have a good solution for this lot

And it wouldn't cost much either

Really? Do you think we could get him??

Some people here might want to waste a few more seasons on duds like Morton and Watts but its pretty clear both are tambling material for mine.

This is probably the worst MFC team, I've seen in my whole life......... It's hard to see how the dee's will survive after this........ pains me to say this, but MFC are the next fitzroy.........we'll ether be merged or moved.......we're a lot closer this, than a premiership.......

This is where I see us heading too. 6 years of ineptness only for us to be going even further backwards, we struggle to get good crowds as it is, this will only fall away further, the media will stop talking about us as we will become irrelevant (if we arent't already), then with no support the sponsors will drop away. It's only a matter of time really...

You must be watching a different game. Im watching the one were the defenders have spent the last 10 minutes passing between each other in a panic until the turnover inevitably happens... We cant even get it out of the back 50 - the saints kept it in there for the last quarter, similarly last week - just press it in and wait for the dees to turn it over or panic.

Did you start barracking for Melbourne this year or something?

Midfield is the start of the problem

Some people here might want to waste a few more seasons on duds like Morton and Watts but its pretty clear both are tambling material for mine.

Jack watts was our best player tonight you are a bad fan mate. Im angry at the club but dont knock a kid down on form when he gets 34 touches in his come back game he was great tonight and i think he found a spot going forward. Looked great around the pack's and seem's to have alot of time sam fisher like.

We are in a catch 22. The club can't survive another rebuild. The level of clean out we need will take 5 to 7 years to come back from. We border on financial trouble as it is let alone no one turning up to games and buying memberships for 7 years.

Midfield is the start of the problem

Exactly, so why have we been recruiting tall skinny "forward projects" when we are so bereft of midfielders?

There's no point in having a nice looking car if you haven't got an engine or petrol to propel it.

We are in a catch 22. The club can't survive another rebuild. The level of clean out we need will take 5 to 7 years to come back from. We border on financial trouble as it is let alone no one turning up to games and buying memberships for 7 years.

Not so, 2 to 3 years would probably do it, we do have some players that can hold their own, it's just that we need some midfielders to balance up the side. At the moment the forwards have little to do and the Backs are overwhelmed. We need to get some quality in the middle of the ground so we can control the ball instead of chasing the opposition with little or no hope of catching them.