Who would be a required player as of Round 2's performance ?

[jnrmac 20,053]

OUT: Bartram, Green, Morton, Blease, Moloney, Davey, Bennell,

Job lot. Gone.,

Find me 20 players in the VFL that attack the footy like Magner and Jones.

[Fork 'em 6,983]

To think it was a flip of the coin between us getting Jimmy Bartell or Moloney.

Moloney shoulda kept his hand down....'sigh'

[BIG JIM 508]

Better than your first few posts

Do you barrack for Melbourne or are you deriving some cheap pleasure from calling us weak pricks and wooden spooners?

I encourage you to be constructive if you are really a Demon .

Biffen you seem like a behind the screen bully everyone has a right to question the club with what we have seen the first 2 rounds. I love my dees and always back them but i like many others are very worried we have made no ground since 2008 on the ground and maybe gone backwards. So maybe let everyone have a say and stop being smug.

[biggestred 5,010]

out: no one

in: no one

until they realise that their own destiny is in their own hands, dont change anything. the only thing that needs to change is the players mentality - it is not the coaches fault, it is not the fans or clubs fault, it is the players who need to lift and improve......

[Mgdee 322]

Does anyone on this site have any idea what the traumas of the last few weeks must have done to the players confidence & ability to perform at their best.

A lot of you seem to think that the players are robots with no feelings.

Do you think that you could lose a mentor, have one of your best friends up on serious charges, have another of your friends accused of being a destabilising influence on your workplace & have the company you work for shown to have financial difficulties & still come out and perform your job to the best of your ability.

I know i couldn't & haven't in the past under stressful circumstances (and I'm sixty not a young kid)

Maybe you are all right & we are a c**p side & all the players are useless but I think we need to give them an opportunity to rebuild their confidence & mindset before we judge them too harshly.

[Chook 15,012]

Does anyone on this site have any idea what the traumas of the last few weeks must have done to the players confidence & ability to perform at their best.

A lot of you seem to think that the players are robots with no feelings.

Do you think that you could lose a mentor, have one of your best friends up on serious charges, have another of your friends accused of being a destabilising influence on your workplace & have the company you work for shown to have financial difficulties & still come out and perform your job to the best of your ability.

I know i couldn't & haven't in the past under stressful circumstances (and I'm sixty not a young kid)

Maybe you are all right & we are a c**p side & all the players are useless but I think we need to give them an opportunity to rebuild their confidence & mindset before we judge them too harshly.

If something like that happened to me, I'd come out breathing fire. Not everybody would, but you'd think that at least a few of our players would react this way. It doesn't seem that any of them have, which indicates that they are not greatly affected by recent events, at least from a performance perspective.

[Chook 15,012]

out: no one

in: no one

until they realise that their own destiny is in their own hands, dont change anything. the only thing that needs to change is the players mentality - it is not the coaches fault, it is not the fans or clubs fault, it is the players who need to lift and improve......

This is an interesting approach. I would never do it, but never changing your team would quickly become a very effective message. I'd love to know what exactly it would do, however, because it could backfire badly.

[Mono 455]

Bartram's selected on his effort. He was at one stage matched up against Dean Cox because he was the only one willing to do the work required to man up the forwards after yet another quick transition from the Eagles' defence. He'll continue to get games until people with better skills are prepared to do the work he does. Bail is similar, but he has more upside, more pace and slightly better skills than Barty.

Well said; agree on both counts. Both these players are hard, work hard and have a crack - ahead of quite a few others.

[Mono 455]

To think it was a flip of the coin between us getting Jimmy Bartell or Moloney.

Moloney shoulda kept his hand down....'sigh'

Rubbish. First I heard of Bartell's name being put forward. Bartell was a sub 10 draft pick; Moloney was picked in pre-season draft ie about 100 picks later.

[Mono 455]

OUT: Bartram, Green, Morton, Blease, Moloney, Davey, Bennell,

Job lot. Gone.,

Find me 20 players in the VFL that attack the footy like Magner and Jones.

Bartram does for a start. He works his arse off every week; pity more don't.

[Chook 15,012]

Bartram does for a start. He works his arse off every week; pity more don't.

I noticed a time when Clint Bartram was the only one willing to run back when the Eagles got their umpteenth quick break and took the initiative to match up on DEAN COX of all people. Seriously, how does that even happen? Until more talented players are willing to do the work that Clint Bartram does, he will remain in the side.

Edited April 9, 2012 by Chook

[Mono 455]

I noticed a time when Clint Bartram was the only one willing to run back when the Eagles got their umpteenth quick break and took the initiative to match up on DEAN COX of all people. Seriously, how does that even happen? Until more talented players are willing to do the work that Clint Bartram does, he will remain in the side.

Touche

Ed: at the moment, the work ethic of many players is pathetic. They just MUST work harder. Gut run for a start should be the "mantra".

Edited April 9, 2012 by Mono

[Fork 'em 6,983]

Rubbish. First I heard of Bartell's name being put forward. Bartell was a sub 10 draft pick; Moloney was picked in pre-season draft ie about 100 picks later.

Just because you hadn't heard it doesn't mean it's rubbish.

We swapped pick12 for Moloney to enable them to get Ottens who they wanted badly.

Geelong had a bunch of highly rated young midfielders Bartel being 1 , and it was only a matter of which 1 we'd get.

Moloney being a Demons supporter as a kid put his hand up to go and we accepted the deal.

The fact we allowed pick 12 to be swapped for a player that as you said went another 100 picks later is another reason to ... 'Sigh'

Edited April 9, 2012 by Fork 'em

[Mono 455]

Just because you hadn't heard it doesn't mean it's rubbish.

We swapped pick12 for Moloney to enable them to get Ottens who they wanted badly.

Geelong had a bunch of highly rated young midfielders Bartel being 1 , and it was only a matter of which 1 we'd get.

Moloney being a Demons supporter as a kid put his hand up to go and we accepted the deal.

Bartell's name never came up. Get a grip.

Ed: I know the machinations of the trade; we got pick the pick 12 for Scotty Thomson. <sigh>. Talk about losing twice.

Edited April 9, 2012 by Mono

[biggestred 5,010]

This is an interesting approach. I would never do it, but never changing your team would quickly become a very effective message. I'd love to know what exactly it would do, however, because it could backfire badly.

short term - medium term it wouldnt result in much......but the message is - this is YOUR team. we can help you, but YOU play the footy......

[Fork 'em 6,983]

How is that losing twice?

Doesn't matter how we got pick 12.

[Mono 455]

How is that losing twice?

Doesn't matter how we got pick 12.

We lost Thomson, and with the pick got Moloney. Loss x 2 = simple.

[Fork 'em 6,983]

Yes , losing Thompson really [censored] me off at the time.

Still does but not as raw.

[monoccular 17,411]

yeah i think your right - Bartram is a trier and a half but there are moments where i literally cringe...

Agree - we are waiting for someone with his work ethic, plus skills - then he will move on.

[monoccular 17,411]

Touche

Ed: at the moment, the work ethic of many players is pathetic. They just MUST work harder. Gut run for a start should be the "mantra".

Gut run -- what is that? Haven't seen it in many years of watching MFC.

Oh -- is that what we see when Hawks, Cats, Pies, Eagles, Carlscum etc players actually work really, really hard, even when they don't have the ball??

Could that maybe explain success vs failure? Novel thought that.

[jnrmac 20,053]

Does anyone on this site have any idea what the traumas of the last few weeks must have done to the players confidence & ability to perform at their best.

A lot of you seem to think that the players are robots with no feelings.

Do you think that you could lose a mentor, have one of your best friends up on serious charges, have another of your friends accused of being a destabilising influence on your workplace & have the company you work for shown to have financial difficulties & still come out and perform your job to the best of your ability.

I know i couldn't & haven't in the past under stressful circumstances (and I'm sixty not a young kid)

Maybe you are all right & we are a c**p side & all the players are useless but I think we need to give them an opportunity to rebuild their confidence & mindset before we judge them too harshly.

Imagine what the trauma of the last 4 years would do.....

To a footy club and its supporters.

You seem to be eating a lot of the magic puddin'. I hope in your rosy world that Doves don't cry either.

Get real. FFS. It's dog eat dog out there. Footy is no different.

[Ned 156]

Does anyone on this site have any idea what the traumas of the last few weeks must have done to the players confidence & ability to perform at their best.

A lot of you seem to think that the players are robots with no feelings.

Do you think that you could lose a mentor, have one of your best friends up on serious charges, have another of your friends accused of being a destabilising influence on your workplace & have the company you work for shown to have financial difficulties & still come out and perform your job to the best of your ability.

I know i couldn't & haven't in the past under stressful circumstances (and I'm sixty not a young kid)

Maybe you are all right & we are a c**p side & all the players are useless but I think we need to give them an opportunity to rebuild their confidence & mindset before we judge them too harshly.

Let me ask you this, how would Geelong respond to that? We all know. They would fight and scrap and never give in and show that no matter what happens off the field, they will fly the flag on it. Melbourne simply couldn't be further from that.

[rpfc 28,247]

I heard it was Kelly refusing and Moloney agreeing.

Like we would have gotten Bartel...

The bad one is Ferguson not going to the Hawks for Sewell.

[Mgdee 322]

Imagine what the trauma of the last 4 years would do.....

To a footy club and its supporters.

You seem to be eating a lot of the magic puddin'. I hope in your rosy world that Doves don't cry either.

Get real. FFS. It's dog eat dog out there. Footy is no different.

If you think I live in a rosy world, it just shows how wrong you are & I am offended by your personal attack.

I know from personal experience how trauma can affect performance.

Maybe it is you who live in the rosy world if you can't understand.

[Mgdee 322]

Let me ask you this, how would Geelong respond to that? We all know. They would fight and scrap and never give in and show that no matter what happens off the field, they will fly the flag on it. Melbourne simply couldn't be further from that.

How do you know how Geelong would cope with the situation.

Because you think you know doesn't make it a fact.

Eddie & Malthouse believe coaches leaving during finals time was enough to destabilise Collingwood.