Gawn, Fitzpatrick, Cook, Davis, McDonald, Tapscott, even Howe .... skinny outside players?

The site goes into meltdown over a loss in the NAB cup against this year's possible (probably?) premieres. Luckily we don't follow Carlton, Collingwood or even Geelong. They've obviously recruited badly as well.

the difference is bing 2 of the three are premiership winners in the last two years and the third played past the first week of the finals last year.

The dees have finished 12 and 12 in those same two years.

We know they have good players.

Ours have yet to show it.

If we had won the flag last year I would not be worried about our form in the Nab cup.

Of course, how could i forget those times. For example. Sit on top of the ladder after Round 18 & then proceed to lose the next 5 games, & thus booted out ingloriously of the finals in week one.

Only the mighty Demons could do that, the club i love.

And we are still 3 years away from September!!!!

You change your mind like your undies WYL.

It wasn't that long ago that you were spruiking about how this season is going to be so much improved and how you would be massively disappointed if we did not play a finals game this year! Now you're expectations have drifted out 3 years!!!

Don't ask me to go and search your posts to prove this. Your enthusiasm has started to wane after a few NAB games. FFS.

You change your mind like your undies WYL.

It wasn't that long ago that you were spruiking about how this season is going to be so much improved and how you would be massively disappointed if we did not play a finals game this year! Now you're expectations have drifted out 3 years!!!

Don't ask me to go and search your posts to prove this. Your enthusiasm has started to wane after a few NAB games. FFS.

No need to go searching. Playing Hawthorn always brings one back to Earth. I should have known.

I have faith in the coach...its the cattle on the park thats the worry.

Yes they had a go ... But we were not even in the same dimension.

Moloney, the one who bleeds red & blue..got pants again.

Its just stark reality Steve.

You and I are old enough to remember Hawthorn with just 1 premiership - i went to the GF for their second in 1971

I was there in '64 when they had NO flags. I grew up on the (then) Hawthorn side of Glen Iris. No one barracked for the Hawks...except this old guy up the street who us kids thought was a bit strange for doing that. I don't want to be an old man sitting in the MCG, whose family think is a little "strange" for not wanting to leave this mortal coil sometime in the next 30 or so years without us winning at least one more flag....another 9-10 or more would be even better !

I also don't want to go through another 2000-8 period of false dawns either.

I was there in '64 when they had NO flags. I grew up on the (then) Hawthorn side of Glen Iris. No one barracked for the Hawks...except this old guy up the street who us kids thought was a bit strange for doing that. I don't want to be an old man sitting in the MCG, whose family think is a little "strange" for not wanting to leave this mortal coil sometime in the next 30 or so years without us winning at least one more flag....another 9-10 or more would be even better !

I also don't want to go through another 2000-8 period of false dawns either.

They probably already do BD.

All members of mine cannot understand why I did not toss in the Dees 20 years ago.

They tell me I am in denial.

denial can be a comforting place I find, much better than reality!

DD, this is not levelled at you, but I'm getting sick of this 'deep draft' fallacy. Do you, or another poster know any boys that will have an instant impact? I'm talking in 2 years' time rather than the 5 or 6 year path we're on now.....

On what authority do you claim it's a fallacy?

And since when has depth of talent meant that draft picks must have an instant impact?

2 clearly different concepts.

This aint meltdown. It's just a bunch of die hard supporters being honest about the club we love.

Honest? What's honesty got to do with anything in this?

And whether supporters are die-hard or not, or support the club financially or not, it doesn't make their opinions any more valid.

We watched the same game. We follow the same club. We've drawn different conclusions. That's all there is to it.

Well, Watts has been dropped and will play for Casey this week:

http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/7415/newsid/130646/default.aspx

Honest? What's honesty got to do with anything in this?

And whether supporters are die-hard or not, or support the club financially or not, it doesn't make their opinions any more valid.

We watched the same game. We follow the same club. We've drawn different conclusions. That's all there is to it.

We can at least agree to that.

Well, Watts has been dropped and will play for Casey this week:

http://www.melbourne...46/default.aspx

No harm in that...Nor Rohan Bail...

On what authority do you claim it's a fallacy?

And since when has depth of talent meant that draft picks must have an instant impact?

2 clearly different concepts.

No authority - that's why I'm asking.

Obviously you know something?

Yep we don't have A Grade experienced players.

We do have more developing talent on our list than we've had in my lifetime.

We've now got the facilities and coaching team to give them every chance of becoming hardened AFL players.

There is always much revisionism when struggling teams come good and win Premierships.

There are more than a few multiple Premiership players at the other end of the Geelong Road whose development was questioned in the years leading up to 2007.

And its the same at the Bank of New South Wales Centre. Travis Cloke did not become a champion Centre Half Forward overnight and neither did Dale Thomas harden up overnight.

I don't care if the guy who said the only player he rated at the Dees was Frawley played 200 games or is a member of a great footballing family he is still a dill.