22 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

so more like how they finally got capone, huh?

Sort of.

Apparently the evidence is showing that this transaction was done by underlings and not Trump and was their conception not his.

I have heard reports that say that there is just no evidence to convict Trump on this charge.

It is clearly politically based, being driven by a Democrat State and Prosecutor and with a Judge who has a daughter heavily involved in the Democratic party. 

It relates to an issue that happened 8 years ago and was known then by Law Officials, who did nothing about it, as they obviously thought it was  not capable of leading to a conviction. 

And in the meantime the world is laughing and scared.

1 minute ago, Redleg said:

Sort of.

Apparently the evidence is showing that this transaction was done by underlings and not Trump and was their conception not his.

I have heard reports that say that there is just no evidence to convict Trump on this charge.

It is clearly politically based, being driven by a Democrat State and Prosecutor and with a Judge who has a daughter heavily involved in the Democratic party. 

It relates to an issue that happened 8 years ago and was known then by Law Officials, who did nothing about it, as they obviously thought it was  not capable of leading to a conviction. 

thanks

given it's a state driven prosecution, then it has nothing to do with federal tax violations

would state tax violations be an issue, then?

6 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

thanks

given it's a state driven prosecution, then it has nothing to do with federal tax violations

would state tax violations be an issue, then?

I don't think so.

All the Prosecutions are in Democrat controlled States and are basically designed to keep him from campaigning, or in some way get him convicted of something, which bars him from running again.

If he withdrew from the race, Nikki Haley would destroy Biden in the election, as her margin over him was bigger than Trumps in the polls.

 

Edited May 8, 20241 yr by Redleg

3 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I don't think so.

All the Prosecutions are in Democrat controlled States and are basically designed to keep him from campaigning, or in some way get him convicted of something, which bars him from running again.

If he withdrew from the race, Nikki Haley would destroy Biden in the election, as her margin over him was bigger than Trumps in the polls.

 

ok, thanks.

you can send my bill c/- trump's lawyer 

22 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

ok, thanks.

you can send my bill c/- trump's lawyer 

Don't worry about it dc . I'm sure Red is very happy to undertake pro bono work for Demonlanders !

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Sort of.

Apparently the evidence is showing that this transaction was done by underlings and not Trump and was their conception not his.

I have heard reports that say that there is just no evidence to convict Trump on this charge.

It is clearly politically based, being driven by a Democrat State and Prosecutor and with a Judge who has a daughter heavily involved in the Democratic party. 

It relates to an issue that happened 8 years ago and was known then by Law Officials, who did nothing about it, as they obviously thought it was  not capable of leading to a conviction. 

Political or not, the law is very explicit about falsifying accounts.

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

thanks

given it's a state driven prosecution, then it has nothing to do with federal tax violations

would state tax violations be an issue, then?

Paying hush money isn’t illegal on its own, but authorities say the payments made to suppress stories about Trump amounted to illegal campaign contributions.

 

 

2 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Don't worry about it dc . I'm sure Red is very happy to undertake pro bono work for Demonlanders !

Typical of you to bring your bone into the discussion.

1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

Paying hush money isn’t illegal on its own, but authorities say the payments made to suppress stories about Trump amounted to illegal campaign contributions.

 

 

Today the Judge, whose daughter apparently makes her living from the Democratic Party, allowed the ex Porn Star, to speak about salacious details and an alleged incident with someone telling her to keep quiet in 2015, both of which have nothing to do with the charges, purely to rev up the jury.

He should have granted a mistrial but has stuffed up big time in refusing it.

This guy is more conflicted than I would be, if asked to umpire Dees v  Blues.

This is without the slightest shred of doubt or argument a Political show trial designed to keep Trump away from the hustings.

Putin and Jie must look at the USA and think they are just the same as them, but less honest about it.

1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

Paying hush money isn’t illegal on its own, but authorities say the payments made to suppress stories about Trump amounted to illegal campaign contributions.

 

 

bit of a long bow to draw and a bit desperate

1 hour ago, leave it to deever said:

Paying hush money isn’t illegal on its own, but authorities say the payments made to suppress stories about Trump amounted to illegal campaign contributions.

 

 

Can’t be illegal campaign contributions if it’s his money. 

I hear Uncle Bitters coached the ex Porn Star on the salacious details she presented in her evidence today.

The fun part of this case is that in a litany, nay, a cacophony of likely illegal acts on every front from sexual violence to insurrection to real estate fraud to intimidating electoral officials to threatening witnesses to receiving material aid from foreign powers to large-scale kickback schemes...  it is United States' Campaign Finance Laws - just about the weakest link in the US electoral system - which are the tripwire.

Honestly the case itself is not the main event despite all the balloons and clown suits. The most that can be expected of it is that the Trump ego finally kicks to a full psychotic break and he starts openly ordering hits on civil officials.

55 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Can’t be illegal campaign contributions if it’s his money. 

Correct it was the two acts of trying to alter the outcome of an election by paying to hide said affair and then cooking ze books via Cohen being paid.

Not really a prisonable offence but still crooked. Kind of ironic.

I agree it's political.

But then he should have been imprisoned a while ago now for the Jan six treason.

 

Lying about the election.

Assembling a crowd 

Inciting a crowd and directing the mob to march on the Capitol where several cops were killed.

Then watching it live on TV and doing nothing.

Hanging offence.

 

Edited May 8, 20241 yr by leave it to deever

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

I hear Uncle Bitters coached the ex Porn Star on the salacious details she presented in her evidence today.

I think Stormy got the two mixed up when she said she couldn't feel a thing

When you look at the corrupt [censored] up that is American politics, we should never ever complain about the Westminster system. 

18 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

When you look at the corrupt [censored] up that is American politics, we should never ever complain about the Westminster system. 

I thought you may have been around in 75   Uncle.

I guess a mishap every 100 odd years isn't too bad.

I suppose it's pretty good.

Plus Australians don't have the same level of hatred some Yanks have towards Government.

We've never really had a civil war. Maybe some miners complaining about fees but nothing serious enough that brother turns on brother.

Edited May 9, 20241 yr by leave it to deever

I think it’s fantastic and actual justice that Trump being put through it. The guy had an extramarital affair 4 month after the birth of his youngest son, and did some ILLEGAL things to cover it up when it broke after the Hollywood sex tapes dropped on his campaign in the lead up to the 2016 Presidential election. Not trivial. Political yes, he used devious and ILLEGAL means to catch and kill true stories about him being made public to deceive the US electors.

such schaudenfreud…

loving it. 
 

the guy is a creep and wannabe fascist.

Rumour is he’s a massive Pies fan too… 😉

Edited May 9, 20241 yr by PaulRB

To totally misquote M Blight

Posters go to strange places to get offended

2 hours ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

When you look at the corrupt [censored] up that is American politics, we should never ever complain about the Westminster system. 

big assumption in there, uncle 😮

8 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

big assumption in there, uncle 😮

Quite so dc , however, I believe (perhaps naively) that our system/politics  does not embrace anything like the level of corruption that appears endemic to the septic tank system.

17 hours ago, Redleg said:

ex Porn Star, to speak about salacious details

It may be political at times and others legal but one thing is for sure Mr R. Leg....

USA politics is back to being juicy again.

Just like the old days with Clinton and Monica 😁 

57 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Quite so dc , however, I believe (perhaps naively) that our system/politics  does not embrace anything like the level of corruption that appears endemic to the septic tank system.

the assumption , uncle was that the westminister system has a future

what with all the anarchists, nihilists, marxists and useful [censored] pushing hard for a bloody revolution

Edited May 9, 20241 yr by daisycutter
*ijits ... ffs

38 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

It may be political at times and others legal but one thing is for sure Mr R. Leg....

USA politics is back to being juicy again.

Just like the old days with Clinton and Monica 😁 

I recall the Democrats, in response to the President having oral sex with a young intern, in the ante room to the Oval Office no less, saying nothing to see here, no problem at all.

Yet when an adult Porn star has sex with a businessman, in a hotel room, 10 years before he becomes President, but of course is a Republican, wow the Democrats are horrified and blow a gasket.

Yes USA politics are back to being juicy again.

BTW does President Biden know what day it is today?