We'll take Viney with our first pick, the kids worth it and will be streets ahead of other kids we could potentially pick due to his work within the club over the past 2 years. There is no option of not taking Viney and calling GWS/GC bluff. We know what we're getting, and I couldn't be more happy. Seen him play numerous times, including the under 18 carnival and TAC gf last year. Watch him absolutely tear this competition to shreds at the end of the year, then there will be no doubt he's top 3 ilk.

thats not the point, the point is that we should get a some type of benefit of him being a F/S, not 'his worth that'

We are losing out on another player of similair potential now. I would rather have a Viney and a Dustin Martin and a Cotchin rather then just a Viney and a Cotchin.

thats not the point, the point is that we should get a some type of benefit of him being a F/S, not 'his worth that'

We are losing out on another player of similair potential now. I would rather have a Viney and a Dustin Martin and a Cotchin rather then just a Viney and a Cotchin.

Unfortunately that was ruled out when we signed him 2 years ago.

This is professional sport, no team is going to give another an edge, especially when (if we get our [censored] together) we will be challenging the cup against GWS and GC, the same teams that have the opportunity to bid for him this year.

Hypothetically, say if Richmond finish last next year and us 17th, and they have this boom FS recruit, would we not bid and allow them to take him at pick 19, especially after they've already committed to him? To quote Neeldy, "Not on your life".

Our hand was forced when Adelaide were sniffing around Viney in 2010, we had to make a call and now we are paying for it.

thats not the point, the point is that we should get a some type of benefit of him being a F/S, not 'his worth that'

We are losing out on another player of similair potential now. I would rather have a Viney and a Dustin Martin and a Cotchin rather then just a Viney and a Cotchin.

I agree with you olisk. i expect the club to recruit the best available talent each year. If Viney is the best available, then fine, use our first pick. I dont think the club should or would waste a very good pick on Viney just because he is a F/S of a past club champion/captain. I would hope the club has a clause in the contract that allows us to retract or 'get out' of the contract if another club is willing to pay over for Viney.

If this draft goes belly up due to this situation i can see supporters going crazy at the club for jumping the gun on Viney. We go crazy on missing out of Darling FFS, without allowing Cook to develop.

Was chatting with someone who watched Jack play on the weekend for school. He was super impressed with his skill level and he was a clear stand out player. Probably helped by the fact that he is doing some training with the Dees etc but there is no doubt he will be a very good player...

I agree with you olisk. i expect the club to recruit the best available talent each year. If Viney is the best available, then fine, use our first pick. I dont think the club should or would waste a very good pick on Viney just because he is a F/S of a past club champion/captain. I would hope the club has a clause in the contract that allows us to retract or 'get out' of the contract if another club is willing to pay over for Viney. If this draft goes belly up due to this situation i can see supporters going crazy at the club for jumping the gun on Viney. We go crazy on missing out of Darling FFS, without allowing Cook to develop.

No.

We may end up paying slightly overs for Viney but that isn't the concern of the agreement.

We knew this might happen going into this arragement and I for one will not be at all impressed if we pick a teenager over the 'brickwall with eyes' that happens to be Todd's son because he is 8 picks higher than he should be.

What kind of a 'club' are we running?

If we finish with only GWS and GC we should look to give them some 'handshake deals' before the bidding process to attempt to move Viney into the second round, but if not - we deal with getting Viney at 3 and some other gun at 4.

And 'It's Time' - as Old alluded to - how do we keep Jack a secret? If we kept him away from the club and let things fall as they would fall in junior footy - I have been assured by all and sundry he would be a mouth watering prospect of physical domination in the TAC Cup and easily a top 10 pick.

And as soon as you put top 10 and F/S together, you are going to get an 'Ayce Cordy Situation' and take him a little higher than desired.

The only way we could avoid paying overs?

Not play so crap for the rest of the year...

I agree with you olisk. i expect the club to recruit the best available talent each year. If Viney is the best available, then fine, use our first pick. I dont think the club should or would waste a very good pick on Viney just because he is a F/S of a past club champion/captain. I would hope the club has a clause in the contract that allows us to retract or 'get out' of the contract if another club is willing to pay over for Viney.

If this draft goes belly up due to this situation i can see supporters going crazy at the club for jumping the gun on Viney. We go crazy on missing out of Darling FFS, without allowing Cook to develop.

So... do you agree with him or not?

No.

We may end up paying slightly overs for Viney but that isn't the concern of the agreement.

We knew this might happen going into this arragement and I for one will not be at all impressed if we pick a teenager over the 'brickwall with eyes' that happens to be Todd's son because he is 8 picks higher than he should be.

What kind of a 'club' are we running?

If we finish with only GWS and GC we should look to give them some 'handshake deals' before the bidding process to attempt to move Viney into the second round, but if not - we deal with getting Viney at 3 and some other gun at 4.

And 'It's Time' - as Old alluded to - how do we keep Jack a secret? If we kept him away from the club and let things fall as they would fall in junior footy - I have been assured by all and sundry he would be a mouth watering prospect of physical domination in the TAC Cup and easily a top 10 pick.

And as soon as you put top 10 and F/S together, you are going to get an 'Ayce Cordy Situation' and take him a little higher than desired.

The only way we could avoid paying overs?

Not play so crap for the rest of the year...

isnt exactly filling me with confidence atm

If only there was a way of getting Viney with our second round pick, whilst getting valuable games into youngsters like Davis, Cook, Lawrence, Blease, Bennell, Fitzpatrick, Evans, Tynan, Taggert et all.

I am sure there is a way...

We will be taking him with our first pick no matter what, but I'm the kind of cool cat that wants to have one's cake and eat it too. I want two top 5 picks AND Viney. I'm not going to be satisfied with Viney and pick 3/4. I am a greedy greedy person. I want what is best for our list. I want ruthlessness from our club and I have no shame as to how we are percieved by outside forces.

Surprised no-one has quoted one of the best in the business, Emma Q ...

Emma Quayle ‏ @emmasq

Why am I seeing Dees fans freaking out over what they'll pay for Viney? The season has barely started. He could well be worth top three.

Emma Quayle ‏ @emmasq

Viney strikes as a "safe" pick but so did M Murphy. Talented player, aggressive, brilliant, professional attitude, 2 years of prep #relax

Surprised no-one has quoted one of the best in the business, Emma Q ...

Emma Quayle ‏ @emmasq

Why am I seeing Dees fans freaking out over what they'll pay for Viney? The season has barely started. He could well be worth top three.

Emma Quayle ‏ @emmasq

Viney strikes as a "safe" pick but so did M Murphy. Talented player, aggressive, brilliant, professional attitude, 2 years of prep #relax

i still think the dees should approach her to join the dees recruiting team

If only there was a way of getting Viney with our second round pick, whilst getting valuable games into youngsters like Davis, Cook, Lawrence, Blease, Bennell, Fitzpatrick, Evans, Tynan, Taggert et all.

I am sure there is a way...

Yes, but the tank wouldn't work this year as GWS will not be beaten to the bottom.

We will be taking him with our first pick no matter what, but I'm the kind of cool cat that wants to have one's cake and eat it too. I want two top 5 picks AND Viney. I'm not going to be satisfied with Viney and pick 3/4. I am a greedy greedy person. I want what is best for our list. I want ruthlessness from our club and I have no shame as to how we are percieved by outside forces.

That ruthlessness will mean swallowing our pride and dealing with Sheedy, Allan and the rest of the expansion clubs.

i still think the dees should approach her to join the dees recruiting team

Why when we can just get her views for free?

would stop other teams getting her views.

Surprised no-one has quoted one of the best in the business, Emma Q ...

Emma Quayle ‏ @emmasq

Why am I seeing Dees fans freaking out over what they'll pay for Viney? The season has barely started. He could well be worth top three.

Emma Quayle ‏ @emmasq

Viney strikes as a "safe" pick but so did M Murphy. Talented player, aggressive, brilliant, professional attitude, 2 years of prep #relax

I think the issue is that at this stage the three to players look like being Whitfield, Stringer (not due to recent hype), and Daniher with Viney close on in this group.

So if we use pick 3 we may lose out on a better player, or be guaranteed a great one?

When we seem to have had a few better options in the past with top picks we are very skeptical as to value atm

edit - even with pick 2 we cant have Daniher so will get value we just want better value

Edited May 1, 201213 yr by Jordie_tackles

Wonder if we ll bid for daniher if no one bids for viney

Wonder if we ll bid for daniher if no one bids for viney

Why?

There'll be 10+ other teams willing to bid on him, making it completely unnecessary.

And Essedon, like us, will not let their player get away.

Surprised no-one has quoted one of the best in the business, Emma Q ...

Emma Quayle ‏ @emmasq

Why am I seeing Dees fans freaking out over what they'll pay for Viney? The season has barely started. He could well be worth top three.

Emma Quayle ‏ @emmasq

Viney strikes as a "safe" pick but so did M Murphy. Talented player, aggressive, brilliant, professional attitude, 2 years of prep #relax

I'm with EQ, but she doesn't help the cause here.

We're going to take him regardless, and going on the bolded logic, he could end up rated 25-30, but we'll still be pushed into using our 1st pick.

Yeah no-one would've asked us what we're going to do and no-one would've noticed him training with the club.

We don't have to answer what we're going to do, other than putting him up as a father/son and seeing what other picks other teams are going to bid for him. Liike many players, especially one's who's father's are coaches at a club, he could have been training with us without us committing to taking him.

No.

We may end up paying slightly overs for Viney but that isn't the concern of the agreement.

We knew this might happen going into this arragement and I for one will not be at all impressed if we pick a teenager over the 'brickwall with eyes' that happens to be Todd's son because he is 8 picks higher than he should be.

What kind of a 'club' are we running?

If we finish with only GWS and GC we should look to give them some 'handshake deals' before the bidding process to attempt to move Viney into the second round, but if not - we deal with getting Viney at 3 and some other gun at 4.

And 'It's Time' - as Old alluded to - how do we keep Jack a secret? If we kept him away from the club and let things fall as they would fall in junior footy - I have been assured by all and sundry he would be a mouth watering prospect of physical domination in the TAC Cup and easily a top 10 pick.

And as soon as you put top 10 and F/S together, you are going to get an 'Ayce Cordy Situation' and take him a little higher than desired.

The only way we could avoid paying overs?

Not play so crap for the rest of the year...

This isn't quite right because if we finish 16th and hadn't have telegraphed to the world that we were already committed then it is unlikely that GWS or GC would have been prepared to bid their 1st or 2nd pick for him with the real chance they would end up with him and miss out on the other two. If they didn't take this risk then we would only have had to use our 2nd rounder. That is the stuff up I am upset about. It's not an issue of not taking him, it is an issue of probably losing our top pick when we wouldn't have if we'd kept quiet.

This isn't quite right because if we finish 16th and hadn't have telegraphed to the world that we were already committed then it is unlikely that GWS or GC would have been prepared to bid their 1st or 2nd pick for him with the real chance they would end up with him and miss out on the other two. If they didn't take this risk then we would only have had to use our 2nd rounder. That is the stuff up I am upset about. It's not an issue of not taking him, it is an issue of probably losing our top pick when we wouldn't have if we'd kept quiet.

That is a bluff we couldn't have pulled off.

Viney is tearing it up and we have exclusive rights, it would have looked coy in the extreme if we said - 'we aren't sure what he is worth yet'...

And clubs would call our bluff. Because it never was a bluff, was it?

Secret or not, we have wanted Viney ever since he was 15 and had mothers calling up asking Todd to get Jack to stop tackling so hard...

This isn't quite right because if we finish 16th and hadn't have telegraphed to the world that we were already committed then it is unlikely that GWS or GC would have been prepared to bid their 1st or 2nd pick for him with the real chance they would end up with him and miss out on the other two. If they didn't take this risk then we would only have had to use our 2nd rounder. That is the stuff up I am upset about. It's not an issue of not taking him, it is an issue of probably losing our top pick when we wouldn't have if we'd kept quiet.

I think it has already been stated that Adelaide were very keen on Viney and could have secured him as an underage player through the mini draft. Considering the desirable place that Melbourne is to play at, I'm rapt that we have secured him early. A lot of this talk that we are potentially paying overs is based around the fact that our ladder position won't change in the next 17 rounds. That’s a lot of football to be played and while I’ll concede finals is well and truly out of reach this year, it is not implausible to see us rise a few spots. We may end up with picks around the 6 - 9 mark for all we know. I think we need to let this subject rest for a bit until we have a greater perspective on what picks we'll have and where these juniors are actually ranked (i.e. August/September).

Btw, 35 pages on a kid not even officially on our list... no pressure jack

Would it be just to take him at pick 3 if his worth pick 15?, i think the club should be and will be more responsible to do that.

Club will hold its cards close to its chest. No one will know what they are thinking. All i hope is that they take the hard line approach if necessary.

Would it be just to take him at pick 3 if his worth pick 15?, i think the club should be and will be more responsible to do that.

Club will hold its cards close to its chest. No one will know what they are thinking. All i hope is that they take the hard line approach if necessary.

LOL, pick 15..

This kid is everything we are screaming out for. He is tenacious, he is tough, he has great disposal, great positioning a great footy brain. He tackles like a monster and he can take a mark. He runs and runs. He has great hands and he gets his own pill. He is Scully who is inside and out and he is already- and will be a Dee for life.

Us paying our first round pick for him is not an issue, no indeed it isn't. If we weren't as crap as we currently are this would be a non issue as pick whatever our first round would have been would have been a bargain for this blue chip stallion. I still want two top 5's AND Viney but it probably isn't going to happen.

Oh well.. sweet sweet condolences to the MFC.. we end up with J Viney. I don't care what pick we need the injection of this kid into our midfield engine is going to be like adding another 200 kilowatts of raw unbridalled power.

Vroom Vroom!!

looks slow

He is fast enough for his position brah- he isn't a small forward.