On 26/11/2010 at 05:02, E25 said:

You're right rfpc,

I'm convinced I'm a better person than most.

Yeah, but dyslexia is holding you back though...

ti is?

I'm an MCC member who doesn't fork out the additional money for an MFC membership.

Think of me what you will, I really don't care.

  On 26/11/2010 at 05:02, E25 said:

You're right rfpc,

I'm convinced I'm a better person than most.

I like to think I'm better than 16/17ths of the rest

Next year I hope to be better than 17/18ths

  On 26/11/2010 at 05:06, 2for1 said:

I'm an MCC member who doesn't fork out the additional money for an MFC membership.

Think of me what you will, I really don't care.

You obviously do, considering the passive aggressiveness that is dripping off this post.

You should pay up, you'll sleep easier tonight.

  On 26/11/2010 at 05:06, 2for1 said:

I'm an MCC member who doesn't fork out the additional money for an MFC membership.

Think of me what you will, I really don't care.

I'd appreciate a small explanation of why you don't.

At present I'm tempted to call you something that would get deleted by a mod.

  On 26/11/2010 at 05:08, rpfc said:

You obviously do, considering the passive aggressiveness that is dripping off this post.

You should pay up, you'll sleep easier tonight.

We call that passive aggression.

Rolls off the tongue more easily.

  On 26/11/2010 at 04:21, 45HG16 said:

There is a much higher percentage of MFC supporting MCC members that buy memberships than non-MCC MFC supporters (based on those figures that are bandied about every now and then).

Agree. And I wonder if the figures include those who are MCC members who buy full MFC membership packages - but don't follow the MCC/MFC package via the MCC renewal membership...like me.

  On 26/11/2010 at 04:57, rpfc said:

I know their circumstances.

They can afford $600 for the MCC but not another $14 a month for the Dees? ($4 a month for the cheap one)

And it does make them lesser in my eyes.

You and I and E25 have both and it does make us better.

Whilst I can see your view. And whilst I'm in the same boat being a member of both. I don't see myself as any "better".

  On 26/11/2010 at 05:01, 45HG16 said:

And we have about 160,000 "supporters" who are not MCC members and not MFC members.

We could use 190,000 members...

Exactly.

  On 26/11/2010 at 05:08, rpfc said:

You obviously do, considering the passive aggressiveness that is dripping off this post.

You should pay up, you'll sleep easier tonight.

I sleep like a baby, so I fail to see how that will help.

  On 26/11/2010 at 05:09, E25 said:

I'd appreciate a small explanation of why you don't.

At present I'm tempted to call you something that would get deleted by a mod.

The price of an MCC membership, in itself, is more than enough of an outlay for me.

That's it. I don't hate the club, but why would I buy something that isn't going to offer me any additional value?

  On 26/11/2010 at 05:39, 2for1 said:

That's it. I don't hate the club, but why would I buy something that isn't going to offer me any additional value?

Ah, but it would. I can see whyit would offer additional value: -

To contribute and help see your team prosper; be more competitive in a dog eat dog world.

Surely that's good value.

That's my reason anyway.

  On 26/11/2010 at 00:53, E25 said:

Maybe you should re-read your post and make sure you're saying what you think you're saying.

Both of them actually.

Well what I am saying is this.

If like me you hold a full MFC membership and:

If you also hold a Melbourne Cricket Club membership, it helps the MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB if you use your MCC membership at MFC home games at the "G"

  On 26/11/2010 at 06:02, High Tower said:

Ah, but it would. I can see whyit would offer additional value.

To contribute and help see your team prosper; be more competitive in a dog eat dog world. Surely that's good value. That's my reason anyway.

I think what 2for1 is getting at is probably at the heart of why this is ever debated.

Some believe MCC members should buy MFC memberships regardless, some MCC members don't see the point.

I'm a student who is also a member of the future fund, have also donated money etc. and buy at least one club jumper a year (I'm a sucker) on top of the membership. I view my membership as a donation, but one I get the least satisfaction out of.

Obviously for those who aren't MCC members, the MFC membership gets them into games. Aside from games at the Dome, I've never had to use my MFC membership.

I think that memberships are important from outside perspective and possibly chances at sponsorship, hence why I buy a membership.

But, in terms of helping the club financially, I'd much rather buy a jumper each yeah than a membership if the club benefited equally from it.

  On 26/11/2010 at 05:06, 2for1 said:

I'm an MCC member who doesn't fork out the additional money for an MFC membership.

Think of me what you will, I really don't care.

Depends on whether you want Value for your money. By helping the Melbourne Football Club Financially you will get a better standard of game from the club, thus your MCC enjoyment goes right up. It's a win/win really if you think about it. B)

  On 26/11/2010 at 06:08, 45HG16 said:

I think what 2for1 is getting at is probably at the heart of why this is ever debated.

Some believe MCC members should buy MFC memberships regardless, some MCC members don't see the point.

I'm a student who is also a member of the future fund, have also donated money etc. and buy at least one club jumper a year (I'm a sucker) on top of the membership. I view my membership as a donation, but one I get the least satisfaction out of.

Obviously for those who aren't MCC members, the MFC membership gets them into games. Aside from games at the Dome, I've never had to use my MFC membership.

I think that memberships are important from outside perspective and possibly chances at sponsorship, hence why I buy a membership.

But, in terms of helping the club financially, I'd much rather buy a jumper each yeah than a membership if the club benefited equally from it.

Fine, they don't have to buy memberships because they "don't get anything out of it" but I don't want them to turn around and give a hand wringing lecture about the AFL 'screwing us over' because of our low membership base when, if the MCC didn't exist, we would have almost 50k members.

You want the MFC to have clout?

You want the MFC to play big games on free to air?

You want to see the Demons become a power?

Then buy an effing membership!

  On 26/11/2010 at 05:39, 2for1 said:

The price of an MCC membership, in itself, is more than enough of an outlay for me.

That's it. I don't hate the club, but why would I buy something that isn't going to offer me any additional value?

To fork out the cost of an MCC membership, then say an extra $50 is too much... that's just weak.

Paint it any way you like, but it shows how much you really care about the club.

I'm not saying you have, but don't pretend you care about the club as much as I do.

Sheesh guys, were supposed to be an inclusive club

By all means promote positive reasons for MCC members to take out MFC membership, but lets not turn into a nasty pizzing competition

We are better than that, surely

  On 26/11/2010 at 06:48, daisycutter said:

Sheesh guys, were supposed to be an inclusive club

By all means promote positive reasons for MCC members to take out MFC membership, but lets not turn into a nasty pizzing competition

We are better than that, surely

Inclusive of those who profess to support the club, but won't buy a membership?

It's not meant to be a pissing contest, but it's insulting to those like myself who sacrifice for the good of the club, while others sit back and reap the benefits.

It's weak and it's also indicative of character.

You can choose not to believe that, but it's the truth.

  On 26/11/2010 at 07:11, E25 said:

Inclusive of those who profess to support the club, but won't buy a membership?

It's not meant to be a pissing contest, but it's insulting to those like myself who sacrifice for the good of the club, while others sit back and reap the benefits.

It's weak and it's also indicative of character.

You can choose not to believe that, but it's the truth.

Love for the club isn't the only variable - money holds different value than it does to others. I could, theoretically, love the club more than you but also value my money more. The opposite could be true - I could donate more money to the club despite a lesser love for it just because I'm more generous (or more frivellous) in general.

daisycutter is right, this is nothing but a pissing contest, and a pretty disappointing one at that.

It's not even worth discussing.

TBH I'm was bringing out my inner WYL.

But seriously, if you don't fork out the extra $50 it's pretty bloody weak.

  On 26/11/2010 at 07:39, rpfc said:

But seriously, if you don't fork out the extra $50 it's pretty bloody weak.

Look, I agree that if you're already coughing up $600 then another $50 shouldn't be too hard. I have no problem with that. It was the "I care for the club more than you" argument that made me want to throw up.

  On 26/11/2010 at 06:08, 45HG16 said:

I think what 2for1 is getting at is probably at the heart of why this is ever debated.

Some believe MCC members should buy MFC memberships regardless, some MCC members don't see the point.

I'm a student who is also a member of the future fund, have also donated money etc. and buy at least one club jumper a year (I'm a sucker) on top of the membership. I view my membership as a donation, but one I get the least satisfaction out of.

Obviously for those who aren't MCC members, the MFC membership gets them into games. Aside from games at the Dome, I've never had to use my MFC membership.

I think that memberships are important from outside perspective and possibly chances at sponsorship, hence why I buy a membership.

But, in terms of helping the club financially, I'd much rather buy a jumper each yeah than a membership if the club benefited equally from it.

Yeah, I would prefer to buy something from the MFC store that I actually want, which I do on occasion, to assist the club, rather than paying for a membership which is largely futile for someone like me.

  On 26/11/2010 at 07:11, E25 said:

Inclusive of those who profess to support the club, but won't buy a membership?

It's not meant to be a pissing contest, but it's insulting to those like myself who sacrifice for the good of the club, while others sit back and reap the benefits.

It's weak and it's also indicative of character.

You can choose not to believe that, but it's the truth.

It's weak and indicative of character to have a dig at a fellow MFC supporter because they have a different value system to yours.

I'm only being honest, yet you feel the need to insult me because of it.

Pathetic.

  On 26/11/2010 at 07:39, rpfc said:

TBH I'm was bringing out my inner WYL.

But seriously, if you don't fork out the extra $50 it's pretty bloody weak.

In your opinion, pal.

  On 26/11/2010 at 05:39, 2for1 said:

I sleep like a baby, so I fail to see how that will help.

The price of an MCC membership, in itself, is more than enough of an outlay for me.

That's it. I don't hate the club, but why would I buy something that isn't going to offer me any additional value?

As long as you buy merchandise from the Club directly, the MFC make money which is what needs to happen if we are all to enjoy the winning of cups.

Those MCC members who roll up with there own lunch and then go straight home at the games end week after week make it hard for the club to grow.

i always open my wallet further on Home game days, particularly since we are now aligned once again in the Bosom of the MCC. April 1 2009-what a brilliant day. B)

I vote this thread be moved to TigerLand if you want to get feral

Just proves even the most bright and even of us can get excitable.

Meh.

Pay up.