blueprint 0 Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 Word is that Kyle Cheney has requested a trade, with Hawthorn showing interest. Is contracted to the Dees so if nothing transpires today will remain with the club but is interested in seeking opportunity elsewhere. Is also on the flight to China which makes this even more interesting, personally I hope we keep him.
JJJ 1,348 Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 Wasn't Patrick Smith suggesting this is done for a 3rd round selection? Pick 57 or around that mark...
Summer Blease 0 Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 A Dee in Melbourne, a Hawk in China, yeah interesting trip. Hawthorne are going to use the pick they got from North for Hale if anything. Smug bastards.
Rhino Richards 1,467 Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 We have only three spaces on the list. We will upgrade Spencer and McKenzie from the rookie list. That means all we can use in the draft is pick 12 unless we do either or both of the following: 1. Delist PJ and/or TMac. 2. Trade Cheney for a pick we will never use. Cheney is low in the pecking order and is not a keep IMO. And if Newton is China bound I wonder whether they will re rookie him in 2011.
titan_uranus 25,252 Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 A third round pick for Cheney is fine by me. Frees up one more spot, and possibly means we get to keep TMac for another year.
Rhino Richards 1,467 Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 A third round pick for Cheney is fine by me. Frees up one more spot, and possibly means we get to keep TMac for another year. If you want to free list space, then you should be happy to take a 5th or 6th rounder pick that you will never use. At the moment we dont have space to use pick 32.
sylvinator 96 Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 If you want to free list space, then you should be happy to take a 5th or 6th rounder pick that you will never use. At the moment we dont have space to use pick 32. At the moment, yes, but you can bet your house that we will open up 1-2 more spots on the list before the national draft. There is absolutely no chance we'll be going in on draft day with only pick 12 PJ, Tmac, Cheney and Martin probably the players most at risk
old dee 24,082 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 At the moment, yes, but you can bet your house that we will open up 1-2 more spots on the list before the national draft. There is absolutely no chance we'll be going in on draft day with only pick 12 PJ, Tmac, Cheney and Martin probably the players most at risk My understanding was you had to draft a min. of three players!
Rhino Richards 1,467 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 At the moment, yes, but you can bet your house that we will open up 1-2 more spots on the list before the national draft. There is absolutely no chance we'll be going in on draft day with only pick 12 PJ, Tmac, Cheney and Martin probably the players most at risk Cheney and Martin are contracted. Unless you do a gratuitous trade for Cheney then he stays. PJ,TMac are in the gun. My understanding was you had to draft a min. of three players! Upgrading from the rookie list counts as taking up draft picks. Jordie and Jake count for 2. Atm we only have room for pick 12. As another poster pointed out, PJ and TMac are not on the plane to China. Hmmm!
e25 5 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Rookie upgrades count as drafted players. Spencer & McKenzie count as 2, so we only need to use one pick.
old dee 24,082 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Cheney and Martin are contracted. Unless you do a gratuitous trade for Cheney then he stays. PJ,TMac are in the gun. Upgrading from the rookie list counts as taking up draft picks. Jordie and Jake count for 2. Atm we only have room for pick 12. As another poster pointed out, PJ and TMac are not on the plane to China. Hmmm! Thanks Rhino I forgot about the upgrades must have been too much red over the weekend! While I am not a big fan of PJ if we let him go and then Jamar gets injured we will be in the poo! There is also the matter of Cam Bruce Have you heard anything lately?
e25 5 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 I really hope this trade gets done. Cheney is a complete list clogger in my view, and it'd be a pleasure to see the Hawks bring in another sub-par defender to clog their ranks. You simply can't teach size, speed or skill. Reminds me of the Chris Johnson to Carlton adventure that I still take great pleasure in.
satyricon 267 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 I really hope this trade gets done. Cheney is a complete list clogger in my view, and it'd be a pleasure to see the Hawks bring in another sub-par defender to clog their ranks. You simply can't teach size, speed or skill. Reminds me of the Chris Johnson to Carlton adventure that I still take great pleasure in. Obviously you only attend MFC games, if you had watched a few of the Casey games, you will have seen Cheney is developing nicely, and finished in the best three for the season in quite a few polls on'Casey' players. But then again you can always form an opinion on anything sight unseen
e25 5 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 You can't teach speed, size or skill. These are the 3 areas where Kyle is lacking. I've seen a few VFL games and he goes alright, but PJ won the Liston one year, didn't he? I'm not really concerned with VFL form, moreso how they translate that to AFL level. With a kid, I look at the qualities he'll need to succeed at AFL level and Fetta doesn't hae enough of them. He could be a capable role player for a year or 2 in a developing side, but he's not a premiership player. He's simply not.
satyricon 267 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 You can't teach speed, size or skill. These are the 3 areas where Kyle is lacking. I've seen a few VFL games and he goes alright, but PJ won the Liston one year, didn't he? I'm not really concerned with VFL form, moreso how they translate that to AFL level. With a kid, I look at the qualities he'll need to succeed at AFL level and Fetta doesn't hae enough of them. He could be a capable role player for a year or 2 in a developing side, but he's not a premiership player. He's simply not. Oh I got it....you mean like Clint Bartram who everybody wanted to get rid of last season, who probably had his most consistent season and played really well without starring.......what is a premiership player by the way, thought it was somebody who played in a premiership team, not somebody who we think will play in that team......I don't think anuybody at the start of last season would have picked Jarryd Blair as a 'premiership player'
e25 5 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 I would like to move Bartram on as soon as possible also. His inability to use the footy creates a serious weak link in the defense. But... Bartram has always had good pace and a good tank, so he can lock down on small forwards. Cheney is not going to suddenly get faster or taller. Blair was lucky. You get that. Steve Armstrong was the same. I'm interested in building a dynasty. And Fetta is not a 12th mid/fp rotating off the bench.
sylvinator 96 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Oh I got it....you mean like Clint Bartram who everybody wanted to get rid of last season, who probably had his most consistent season and played really well without starring.......what is a premiership player by the way, thought it was somebody who played in a premiership team, not somebody who we think will play in that team......I don't think anuybody at the start of last season would have picked Jarryd Blair as a 'premiership player' Bartram is relatively quick, strong and has elite endurance. His physical qualities were never in question. It was his decision making which was the number 1 worry, and the FD has mitigated this limitation by turning him into a much more defensive small forward, who is told to always take the easiest and first option. Bartram increased bc of increased confidence in his role in the team and an improved 'quickness' of thinking
e25 5 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 A premiership player, is a player that sits comfortably within the structure of a premiership team. Some teams win premierships in spite of weak links. My desire is that we eradicate all weak links from the side.
biggestred 5,310 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 technically, leon davis is a premiership player...
demoniac 1,337 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Cheney and Pick 66 to Hawthorn for Pick 52 says SEN n Twitter if so good luck Kyle!
Triple Jack 13 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Cheney Is gone Cheney and 66 to Hawthorn for the pick Hawthorn got for Hale which is mid 50's
Axis of Bob 11,944 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Happy with that. Gives us an extra spot on the list for a player that was contracted but wasn't part of our future.
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