Honestly, I read somewhere on this very forum, that some of you were contemplating the possibility of seconding this bloke to the team.....

He makes Mick 'The Galloping Gasometer' Nolan look like Chris Judd. For all you youngsters out there, google the name, if you're interested.

He is the biggest gump playing AFL footy - talk about no awareness, turning circle of my old HG and just a dumb player.

It was painful watching him. The fact is, St.Kilda's bottom six are woeful and he's in that bracket.

What say you?

how was he a top5 pick?

how was he a top5 pick?

Was he really? (Shakes his head in disbelief....)

Some recruiters have NFI.

Number 2 in the 2000 Draft.

I'd put Brett Peake in that category too. Spud.

R. Eddy?

Josh Fraser

Todays game was a perfect example of how your bottom 6 can make or break you. St Kilda's were atrocious

Number 2 in the 2000 Draft.

I'd put Brett Peake in that category too. Spud.

He hasn't hit a leading player for about 5 years - Freo saw this bloke's limitations.

R. Eddy?

I think Robert Eddy broke his arm today so i wouldn't kill him off today!!!

Brett Peake.

Kossi who?

Gotta be the dopiest footballer playing the game .

From knocking out Reiwoldt in the Prelim to his late hit causing a head clash with a teammate today .

Would make a good bail out target. the exact type we need. He is not a game breaker, but he fits our structure and the hole we curently have, plus competes to get the ball down and takes a big defender. If cheap, get him in I say!

Honestly, I read somewhere on this very forum, that some of you were contemplating the possibility of seconding this bloke to the team.....

He makes Mick 'The Galloping Gasometer' Nolan look like Chris Judd. For all you youngsters out there, google the name, if you're interested.

He is the biggest gump playing AFL footy - talk about no awareness, turning circle of my old HG and just a dumb player.

It was painful watching him. The fact is, St.Kilda's bottom six are woeful and he's in that bracket.

What say you?

No way , likely to knockout our proper players with his stupidity .

Couldn't believe how dumb he was today , then again he was true to form .

As much as I feel like a fool admitting it when Rooey went down early in the season I traded Kosi into my Supercoach team thinking he might step up... Step up? I think a loaf of bread would have scored me more points. One of his highlights was 7 supercoach points in a game. Worst buy for the season for me.

He makes Mick 'The Galloping Gasometer' Nolan look like Chris Judd.

I remember Mick from when I was a kid. Harsh on Mick. Kosi isn't fit to suck his toejam.

Kosi is one of the worst forwards/rucks of the modern age. If he was a horse you would shoot him.

RIP Mick Nolan.

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He'd be a very good player if he wasn't on the same team as Riewoldt.

Todays game was a perfect example of how your bottom 6 can make or break you. St Kilda's were atrocious

It had nothing to do with the bottom 6. They had no pace, no structure and a dozen players that would be border line at other clubs.

It was painful watching him. The fact is, St.Kilda's bottom six are woeful and he's in that bracket.

Exactly. Brett Peake, Robert Eddy, Andrew McQualter, Stephen Milne, Justin Koschitzke and Zac Dawson (my take on their six worst yesterday) were so bad it wasn't funny. Kosi close to the worst of that lot.

Collingwood had Blair and Beams. After that they got a contribution from the other 20.

It had nothing to do with the bottom 6. They had no pace, no structure and a dozen players that would be border line at other clubs.

How can you say it had nothing to do with the bottom 6, then say they have 12 players who aren't good enough?

Unquestionably, St Kilda's bottom 6 are just not good enough at AFL level and were exposed yesterday. In contrast Collingwood's bottom 6 are much, much better.

How can you say it had nothing to do with the bottom 6, then say they have 12 players who aren't good enough?

Unquestionably, St Kilda's bottom 6 are just not good enough at AFL level and were exposed yesterday. In contrast Collingwood's bottom 6 are much, much better.

He'd be a very good player if he wasn't on the same team as Riewoldt.

If you honestly believe that then I'd stop posting on footy forums.

The guy is a hack and turned it over at every embarrassing opportunity.

I remember Mick from when I was a kid. Harsh on Mick. Kosi isn't fit to suck his toejam.

Kosi is one of the worst forwards/rucks of the modern age. If he was a horse you would shoot him.

RIP Mick Nolan.

Mick Nolan, a big lump o' Lard, that was a game breaker. A lot like Clark Keating was a game breaker. They win premierships.

This is why I've pushed for Mark Jamar for so many years to support him, & help & hope he will realise his talent.

Physical ruckmen are so important, especially when they have footy intelligence as well.

He'd be a very good player if he wasn't on the same team as Riewoldt.

But he played most of this year without Riewoldt and was pretty useless. Not as bad as some are making out, but definitely an ordinary footballer.

Rubbish. Saints were a point away from winning the flag and are the second best team in the comp. Their team has deficiencies but I suspect that's as much to do with game plan and their refusal to move the ball quickly.

The reason the Saints lost is they got nothing from many of their top 6, Hayes, Montagna, Dal Santo, Fisher, Gilbert and Roo. Goddard was the best player over 2 weeks.

Blair, Beams, Toovey and Jolly were very ordinary yesterday.

Yes, their refusal to move the ball quickly was a weakness yesterday. But it got them to within one point last week, and it helped them beat Geelong in the qualifying final.

I stand by my comment that their bottom 6 aren't good enough and are usually masked by the dominance of Hayes, Riewoldt, Montagna, Dal Santo, Goddard, Fisher, Gilbert, Gram etc. Whereas I believe Collingwood's bottom 6 are a lot better, despite some of them playing poorly yesterday.

Last week Collingwood's better players (Swan, Didak, Pendlebury, Jolly) were down on output, but they got enough from the rest of their side to keep them in the contest. Yesterday St Kilda's better players were down (Hayes, Riewoldt, Montagna, Gram) but they got nothing from the rest of their side.

For instance, would you take a group consisting of Beams, Blair, Toovey, L. Brown, Goldsack and Reid or would you take McQualter, Kosi, Eddy, Peake, Dawson and Milne?

And to say Jolly was 'very ordinary' yesterday suggests you didn't follow the game that well. His dominance was unquestionable.

Was he really? (Shakes his head in disbelief....)

Some recruiters have NFI.

He did win the Rising Star in his 1st year...I would be pretty confident to say that whichever club had rights on the early picks in the Kosi year, would have taken him also. Just like they would have all taken Watts.

Will you say the same about Watts in 10 years if he doesn't work out as we hope? Pretty easy sledge IMO.

He'd be a very good player if he wasn't on the same team as Riewoldt.

Not sure about that at all. I think his best position is as a ruckman working around the ground. I wouldn't expect anything better than 30 goals out of him even with no Reiwoldt.

It had nothing to do with the bottom 6. They had no pace, no structure and a dozen players that would be border line at other clubs.

Not sure about a dozen.

Many 'experts' will match a teams bottom six against another teams when the 'front liners' are seeming to be evenly matached. The bottom six of St Kilda's has been mentioned plenty of times as the 'very' reason they struggle to take that final step.

I would suggest the bottom 6 is very relative. You have just emphasised this further by adding in another 6 players.

Pace has never been their go. Structure certainly has but it is quite difficult to set up your structure effectively when the opposition set up so well and don't allow you to.

The forward pressure Collingwood has been renowned for this year won the day.