2010 Player Review - # 8 James Frawley

[Harrisonrules 273]

Quicker than you buddy boy!

All im saying is that , similar to what we did with Neitz , we could do with Frawley.

Its a hypothetical,or didnt you read the whole thing sport?

Is this a site where football is discussed or do you losers just like any opportunity to bring people down?

Sensational call. But sadly there is no chance the FD is pretty stuck in its thinking. All the time they could have tried other backs down forward last year they opted for either the backline or Casey. They frustrate me at times. If I have one question about Frawley on the forward line is his ability to turn. Not saying he cann't, just have to try and see it first.

[DeeZee 6,905]

Sensational call. But sadly there is no chance the FD is pretty stuck in its thinking. All the time they could have tried other backs down forward last year they opted for either the backline or Casey. They frustrate me at times. If I have one question about Frawley on the forward line is his ability to turn. Not saying he cann't, just have to try and see it first.

Thanks for some sensible feedback mate.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Sensational call. But sadly there is no chance the FD is pretty stuck in its thinking. All the time they could have tried other backs down forward last year they opted for either the backline or Casey. They frustrate me at times. If I have one question about Frawley on the forward line is his ability to turn. Not saying he cann't, just have to try and see it first.

I agree. Lets weaken the backline to "punt" the forward line.

The FD should have more guts to turn an established and improving strength up back into an unknown forward.

[e25 5]

It's been proposed a few times before and I'm sure there are some long threads to be found on this topic...

Consensus seems to be that it would be change for change's sake and just creating a new hole in defense.

[ox_5 163]

I really think we should give Jurrah a shot in the back pocket - Darryl White style.

He can play on talls or smalls, and his run and disposal out of the back line would be outstanding, something we really lack at the moment.

[e25 5]

Thanks for some sensible feedback mate.

Sensible because he agrees with you?

My sensible considered opinion is that your idea is poor & I wouldn't do it.

[DeeZee 6,905]

It's been proposed a few times before and I'm sure there are some long threads to be found on this topic...

Consensus seems to be that it would be change for change's sake and just creating a new hole in defense.

Yeah, probably right.

It makes good sense to have an Elite player down back in Frawley,one in the midfield in Scully, and one up forward in Jurrah.

But id love to see it in a practice game to see how he goes.

Garlands a very good defender, with Rivers and Warnock backing him up i dont think the back half will be weakened that much.

Edited November 1, 2010 by DeeZee

[DeeZee 6,905]

Sensible because he agrees with you?

My sensible considered opinion is that your idea is poor & I wouldn't do it.

Just like Neitz's move forward was poor?

[trout 385]

Yeah, probably right.

It makes good sense to have an Elite player down back in Frawley,one in the midfield in Scully, and one up forward in Jurrah.

But id love to see it in a practice game to see how he goes.

Garlands a very good defender, with Rivers and Warnock backing him up i dont think the back half will be weakened that much.

I think taking an All Australian out of our backline would severly weaken it. Particularly one who provides most of our drive and rebound out of it.

[DeeZee 6,905]

I think taking an All Australian out of our backline would severly weaken it. Particularly one who provides most of our drive and rebound out of it.

Good argument, but if Rivers gets back to his best and Garland continues to improve, who knows?

Im in more of an attacking mindset with best players forward of the ball,especially if we win it out of the centre more with the improvement of scully, trenners etc.

[Nasher 33,246]

Wonder why Western Bulldogs never gave Brian Lake a shot at full forward (besides when he parked himself there without the support of his coach), even when they were crying out for forwards?

It's because he's a defender. He's always been a defender and he'll always be a defender. And a bloody good one at that.

[trout 385]

Good argument, but if Rivers gets back to his best and Garland continues to improve, who knows?

Im in more of an attacking mindset with best players forward of the ball,especially if we win it out of the centre more with the improvement of scully, trenners etc.

I can see your point but I still wouldn't do it. While we clearly need a big key forward, I think if fully fit our forward line has by far more skill and talent than our backline. And while are backline was good this year it is still fragile Bruce, Garland, Macdonald, Rivers, Warnock and Bartram are all prone to turning the ball over and adding more pressure. Hence we need to leave the best defender in our backline.

[45HG 1,539]

Wonder why Western Bulldogs never gave Brian Lake a shot at full forward (besides when he parked himself there without the support of his coach), even when they were crying out for forwards?

It's because he's a defender. He's always been a defender and he'll always be a defender. And a bloody good one at that.

Didn't watch the Dees Dogs game this year?

[ox_5 163]

(besides when he parked himself there without the support of his coach)

Didn't watch the Dees Dogs game this year?

He moved himself forward that night. It wasn't a move by Eade, which Nasher alluded to.

[45HG 1,539]

Fair enough.

[ox_5 163]

Fair enough.

Bloody wish he didn't! Do as you're told Brian.

[45HG 1,539]

Bloody wish he didn't! Do as you're told Brian.

I reckon! Should've been dragged after the first.

[Fork 'em 6,616]

Leave Frawley right where he is , if moved to the forward line one of his greatest strengths will be removed , his run .

Our backline is and will be built around him .

As for moving Jurrah to the backpocket ...

May aswell knock 4-5 goals a game off our score now .

[ox_5 163]

As for moving Jurrah to the backpocket ...

May aswell knock 4-5 goals a game off our score now .

I wasn't sure if I was being serious or not either

[John Crow Batty 8,352]

Why wasn't ever Jeff White moved forward? Daniher's fault? We might have kept Jolly then. He just became the ever continuous shrinking ruckman the longer his career progressed. With all his skills he would have been the gun CHF. Frawley's still growing as a premier defender. An heir apparent to Scarlett IMO. Don't mess with him.

Edited November 1, 2010 by america de cali

[ox_5 163]

Why wasn't ever Jeff White moved forward? Daniher's fault? We might have kept Jolly then. He just became the ever continuous shrinking ruckman the longer his career progressed. With all his skills he would have been the gun CHF. Frawley still growing as a premier defender. An heir apparent to Scarlett IMO.

White was only a shrinking ruckman due to the shrinking centre circle. That rule ruined his advantage over taller ruckman, being his massive leap. That and the complications with his shin.

[John Crow Batty 8,352]

White was only a shrinking ruckman due to the shrinking centre circle. That rule ruined his advantage over taller ruckman, being his massive leap. That and the complications with his shin.

Then he should have had the opportunity to go forward instead of battling against the odds. Though I would have preferred it a couple of years earlier when we had Jolly still around. Despite his great leap his hit outs to advantage were only just above average. Only went forward for a rest when he was shagged out or when we were having problems there. Never had a real 4 quarter game forward.

Edited November 1, 2010 by america de cali

[Fork 'em 6,616]

Daniher often moved White forward in moments of desperation .

Hardly ever fired a shot and if he did it would be only 1 , he had his chances and failed miserably .

[Deestroy All 14,262]

Why wasn't ever Jeff White moved forward? Daniher's fault? We might have kept Jolly then. He just became the ever continuous shrinking ruckman the longer his career progressed. With all his skills he would have been the gun CHF. Frawley's still growing as a premier defender. An heir apparent to Scarlett IMO. Don't mess with him.

Short memory or lack of attention.

He often went forward for absolutely zero effect. Even when I was a White fan it drove me nuts.

I can't remember him ever marking on a lead And kicking a goal. Plenty of drifting into the forward line unmanned goals, but none as a forward.

The worst was when we were without Neitz in that final against Essendon. Continuously bombing it in to White then Bizzell for no fight and plenty of fizzle.

[censored] on a bull.

Speaking of bulls, chip charging out of defense will be the highlight of my next 10 years.

Want a forward? Go get one and leave Chip alone.

[Fork 'em 6,616]

Speaking of bulls, chip charging out of defense will be the highlight of my next 10 years.

Yours and mine both , gonna be awesome . B)

Edited November 1, 2010 by Fork 'em