what really annoyed me about this passage of play was after stevie j had handballed off after getting the free kick, and a hawthorn player came barging into him as he was signalling to the bench.

legally he was within 5 m of the ball, but as the geelong player had the ball at the time its not like the hawks player was laying a shepherd, and also had no intention of chasing to get the ball. he just ran straight into stevie j and knocked him over.

as far as i am concerned that should be charging. stevie j didnt shepherd, he just got run into. it was also a filth act.

That's hawthorn in a nutshell though, isn't it?

Weak sniping thuggish dogs.

They thrive behind play when heads are turned.

I hope you can cast your minds back to Bartram tackling McManus last year in the same way. Can't remember the vitriol aimed at one of our own for being 'weak, sniping thuggish trash'.

this game used to be tough

if Moloney did that you'd all be worshipping him

Might worship him if he did it to Guerra!

if i had the chance id pigeon tackle stevie J as well, who wouldnt.

if i had the chance id pigeon tackle stevie J as well, who wouldnt.

Got to admit that guy shits me up the wall. Plays for the free kick more than most and acts like he has been killed if someone touches him.

I hope you can cast your minds back to Bartram tackling McManus last year in the same way. Can't remember the vitriol aimed at one of our own for being 'weak, sniping thuggish trash'.

Huh?

Who's McManus?

there is a significan difference between bartrams and guerras. for one, mcmanus had the ball

there is a significan difference between bartrams and guerras. for one, mcmanus had the ball

Irrelevant to the method of tackling, which is what people are complaining about. McManus had his face pushed into the ground far more severely than Johnson. He had red abrasions on his face when he got up.

Bartram didn't get suspended either. I don't necessarily agree with that. But there was not a peep from any supporter here when he did it.

Huh?

Who's McManus?

Rove?

Irrelevant to the method of tackling, which is what people are complaining about. McManus had his face pushed into the ground far more severely than Johnson. He had red abrasions on his face when he got up.

Bartram didn't get suspended either. I don't necessarily agree with that. But there was not a peep from any supporter here when he did it.

I was interstate for much of last year, so didn;t see any of Melbourne play in '09, but if I had seen that, I wouldn't have liked it I'm sure. But the other issue apart from whose team Guerra and Bartram play for (and the bias that might go on because of that) is the fact that Guerra is a serial offender. He knows he's doing it, but he has and will continue to do so because it is extraordinarily effective.

It was a tackle.... the idea in todays game is to pin the arms so they can not get a handball out.... ease up.

It was a tackle.... the idea in todays game is to pin the arms so they can not get a handball out.... ease up.

Hence the "he will continue to do it because it's effective" part of my post. I don't like that players can do what Guerra does, and I don't like him for doing it, but I don't blame him. I blame the AFL for not changing this rule as have done others which can cause injury (running past the ball, sliding into someone's head, head-high bumps/tackles, the White Rule, and so on).

i think its fair to say that the intent between bartrams and guerras was completely different. one was a poorly executed tackle, whereas guerra wanted to drill stevie j and thats fairly apparent. the hawks wanted to work him over.

and im [censored] glad they tried it and lost the game. wankers.

what really annoyed me about this passage of play was after stevie j had handballed off after getting the free kick, and a hawthorn player came barging into him as he was signalling to the bench.

legally he was within 5 m of the ball, but as the geelong player had the ball at the time its not like the hawks player was laying a shepherd, and also had no intention of chasing to get the ball. he just ran straight into stevie j and knocked him over.

as far as i am concerned that should be charging. stevie j didnt shepherd, he just got run into. it was also a filth act.

Disagree. Because it was within 5m it was fair game. I thought it was sensational. Showed the ferocity of Mitchell and the sheer competitiveness that quite frankly pinched the hawks a flag they should never have won. Those bumps hurt, but they don't injure. What Guerra did injures. What Mitchell did was inspirational. I loved it.

please. it was a cheap shot against a guy who had just gotten back to his feet and was not exactly getting the ball anytime soon.

ferocity and competitiveness? show them when the ball is loose and youre going in to get it, not when a guy has just been smashed, is standing there in pain, not looking and you have no intention of getting the ball. thats just [censored] weak as [censored].

please. it was a cheap shot against a guy who had just gotten back to his feet and was not exactly getting the ball anytime soon.

ferocity and competitiveness? show them when the ball is loose and youre going in to get it, not when a guy has just been smashed, is standing there in pain, not looking and you have no intention of getting the ball. thats just [censored] weak as [censored].

Do you remember Mal Michael and (I think) Darrell White smashing Nick Riewoldt in Round 1 up at the Gabba some years ago? It made poor little Nikky cry, it did.

Do you remember Mal Michael and (I think) Darrell White smashing Nick Riewoldt in Round 1 up at the Gabba some years ago? It made poor little Nikky cry, it did.

Chris or Brad Scott - can't remember which one, pretty sure were involved as well. But that would have helped speed up Roo's development.

Chris or Brad Scott - can't remember which one, pretty sure were involved as well. But that would have helped speed up Roo's development.

Probably. Thanks for that. It was a tough year for Roo. Given the Captaincy and expected to lead them to a Premiership at the ripe old age of 8, can you blame him for tearing up? I can still remember Eddie McChins' commentary, along the lines of "Riewold's down. He's hurt. WHOA this is massive!" as if Germany had just invaded Poland again.

Ha!

Ha!

I read that. It kind of ties into what I was saying about the way he tackles and that he's not going to stop because it's legal and damn effective. So again, I don't blame him, I blame the AFL.

Hence the "he will continue to do it because it's effective" part of my post. I don't like that players can do what Guerra does, and I don't like him for doing it, but I don't blame him. I blame the AFL for not changing this rule as have done others which can cause injury (running past the ball, sliding into someone's head, head-high bumps/tackles, the White Rule, and so on).

Chook if they legislate against anything that is deemed dangerous or has potential to cause injury our game will cease to exist. We will become more netball/basketball/soccer than we already are.

The rubbish the umpires handed out before the Pies vs Saints game tonight annoyed the crickey out of me. Let them have a push and shove and move on.

Chook if they legislate against anything that is deemed dangerous or has potential to cause injury our game will cease to exist. We will become more netball/basketball/soccer than we already are.

The rubbish the umpires handed out before the Pies vs Saints game tonight annoyed the crickey out of me. Let them have a push and shove and move on.

Is it okay for Gardner to grab a guy around the neck and throttle him from behind? To me, that's worth a free kick. I didn't see what caused the 50 metre penalty after that, though, but I think that Leigh Brown cannoning into Riewoldt's back 50 metres off the ball also deserves a free kick, don't you? BTW, the commentators thought the umpires did a great job tonight and I would agree. When it comes down to it, the best team won, and as long as that stays the case, then I'm happy. Of course, I'm even happier that it was at Collingwood's expense, though.