Lets not beat around the bush. With our list management and game day tactics our coaching staff are trying to manipulate results as they are scared to win more than 4 games. I think without all this we could prob end up on 8 wins. We ARE good enough to do that. 8 wins to me = a team improving, not a team in need of 2 top picks.

With a decent run with injury, we would win 10 games.

Which makes me even more excited we will most likely add pick 1 and 2 to this already talented list.

We will explode in 2010, and Finals should be on the radar.

Deserve has nothing to do with it.

If thats the case now imagine us in 3 years with the first 2 picks this year

Lets not beat around the bush. With our list management and game day tactics our coaching staff are trying to manipulate results as they are scared to win more than 4 games. I think without all this we could prob end up on 8 wins. We ARE good enough to do that. 8 wins to me = a team improving, not a team in need of 2 top picks.

We will get the PP so it does not really matter. People don't say 'ohhh yes that team deserved PP that year'.

We are not that good. We are still a pretty poor team. 8 wins or more is way off the mark.

In 07 and 08 we won a combined total of 8 games. So if a team had won 4 and 4 in those same years why would they deserve a PP more than us?

The system is there to help out teams that are down the bottom, i would argue that we deserved one last year, but the system didn't work in our favor.

In essence i guess i am saying that we are now manipulating the system to get what we actually deserve.

The MFC supporters do.

In 07 and 08 we won a combined total of 8 games. So if a team had won 4 and 4 in those same years why would they deserve a PP more than us?

The system is there to help out teams that are down the bottom, i would argue that we deserved one last year, but the system didn't work in our favor.

In essence i guess i am saying that we are now manipulating the system to get what we actually deserve.

You've summed in up perfectly, we deserved a PP last year because we were that bad and we had only won a total of 8 games over two seasons. TBH i don't think we deserve if with that team we have this year, we could've beaten the Swans last week and we could've won today, but it's about time WE started manipulating the situation to get ahead. For that matter WC definitely don't deserve it.

11 wins in 3 years.

yes we deserve it.

west coast, 23 wins in 3 years. they can [censored] the hell off

YES, we do deserve picks 1 and 3 considering we couldnt nab Judd and Warnock

The MFC supporters do.

Amen. We deserve a fricking premiership for all this [censored].

Absolutely.

Did I just hear Bryan freaking Taylor on FOX sports, say something like "I think we can well and truly say the tanking talk is over as far as the Eagles are concerned, and with Melbourne only going down by a kick, hopefully people can lay off them, too"?

Absolutely.

Did I just hear Bryan freaking Taylor on FOX sports, say something like "I think we can well and truly say the tanking talk is over as far as the Eagles are concerned, and with Melbourne only going down by a kick, hopefully people can lay off them, too"?

Sounds like another well-informed comment from ol' BT.

Will never forget a few months back when I bumped into him at the MCG and he had to ask me for directions.

and west coast won!!!!!!!!!!! wooooooopp

Whether we deserve one or not is irrelevant, sports are full of hard luck stories of clubs who deserve something. It's all about what a club can achieve, so what if we manipulate the system, it's not like the first time it's ever happened.

Absolutely.

Did I just hear Bryan freaking Taylor on FOX sports, say something like "I think we can well and truly say the tanking talk is over as far as the Eagles are concerned, and with Melbourne only going down by a kick, hopefully people can lay off them, too"?

You did. I had a laugh myself. :D

'Deserving' has nothing to do with anything in sport. Did Hawthorn 'deserve' the 1987 prelim? They never gave it back just because it was the most unjust sporting result in history. I'll be taking picks 1 and 2 into the draft with not the slightest hint of remorse.

With a decent run with injury, we would win 10 games.

Which makes me even more excited we will most likely add pick 1 and 2 to this already talented list.

We will explode in 2010, and Finals should be on the radar.

That'll make a nice change. Even if we're only 3 and 6, or 4 and 6 it'd be nice to be doing the calculations in the weekend paper about what we'd have to do to make finals again. We were never in the running from round 1 this year.

I'm predicting 6... But it could be anything from 4-8. No more and certainly no less.

Deserve? Definitely.

Need? I'm not so sure...we've definitely got a future, even without Scully et al.

For someone who went to 15 of our 22 games last season and 13 so far this season, yes, we bloody well do deserve it. Whilst, we've definitely improved since the gloomy days of 2008, we still need help and that's what the system is for. Getting lowly teams off the bottom of the ladder.

That'll make a nice change. Even if we're only 3 and 6, or 4 and 6 it'd be nice to be doing the calculations in the weekend paper about what we'd have to do to make finals again. We were never in the running from round 1 this year.

I'm predicting 6... But it could be anything from 4-8. No more and certainly no less.

I am expecting 10.

We will win a minimum of 7.

I am expecting 10.

We will win a minimum of 7.

I'm actually with you on that one. I'm expecting 9.

Firstly, it's not a matter of 'deserves'. It's a matter of what's better for the club, 1 pick in the top 4 or 2?

Secondly, we've only won 11 games since 2006. Though we could have won maybe 2 or 3 more this year, overall you're looking at 15 or 16 out of 66.

Did I just hear Bryan freaking Taylor on FOX sports, say something like "I think we can well and truly say the tanking talk is over as far as the Eagles are concerned, and with Melbourne only going down by a kick, hopefully people can lay off them, too"?

Well that's not entirely stupid. Who here thought West Coast would win another game? I know I didn't. So them winning does give the head-in-sanders something to talk about.

Whether we deserve one or not is irrelevant, sports are full of hard luck stories of clubs who deserve something. It's all about what a club can achieve, so what if we manipulate the system, it's not like the first time it's ever happened.

Couldn't agree more - ffs, everyone needs to have a cup of tea and a bit of a lie down.

When Laidley sent off several of his players to the surgeon early, even though they still could have played, was he questioned? No, it was 'good list management'.

Do we deserve it? Abso (censored) lutely.

If we manage to avoid the dreaded >16 points, yes, we will well and truly deserve the PP. Congratulations to DB on somehow getting us out of what could have been another Port Adelaide result. Keep up the good work Coach.