Robert Warnock

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

And another thing is that we have pick one in the PSD and the AFL by extension are seeming interfering against the benefit we get from holding that pick, i.e swallowing the best uncontracted player that slips through the trade period net. I dont understand what Carlton's problem is, they can put a price on his head in the PSD anyway, but the actions of the AFL are extremely curious.

[H_T 3,049]

If that's true then I'd thank Freo for keeping some sanity in this whole process.

Hear Hear. Keeping the bastards honest. Freo, stand your ground.

[titan_uranus 25,042]

I don't understand why the AFL feels a need to be there. If the two clubs can't get a deal done, doesn't that just mean the deal doesn't get done? It should be the clubs' problems for not dealing.

Fremantle is bluffing, if they say they will re-draft him. They shouldn't risk it. He doesn't want to be there, they'll have a player on their list who has publicly stated he wishes he was playing for another club.

The AFL's excuse (according to the article Demon Head posted) is that they are sick of deals not being done until the last few hours. So what? Again, isn't that the clubs' problems? If a club can't get a player it wants, it shouldn't receive help from the AFL.

[45HG 1,559]

Freo have learnt!

Traded Away From Freo

Matthew Lloyd (compensation pick)

Jeff Farmer

Andrew Mcleod

Peter Bell

James Clement

Jeff White

Brodie Holland

Pick 8 and Paul Medhurst for Chris Tarrant

Pick One for Trent Croad and Luke Mcpharlin, two years later trading Croad back for pick 10

Jess Sinclair and picks 6, 8 and 37 to get Bell back.

Winston Abraham

On the upside they traded Kingsley Hunter, on the downside they selected him in the first place.

Heath Black

Adam Mcphee

Leigh Brown

Troy Simmonds

David Wirrpanda (Compensation pick)

Steven King (Compensation pick)

Freo trading for players

Phil Gilbert for Jeff Farmer

Chris Groom for Andrew Mcleod

Tony Delaney for pick 4

Des Headland for Mcphee and picks 3 and 19

Kepler Bradley

Mark Johnson (a year before he retired)

[Guest Dr Jekyl & Mr Hyde]

And another thing is that we have pick one in the PSD and the AFL by extension are seeming interfering against the benefit we get from holding that pick, i.e swallowing the best uncontracted player that slips through the trade period net. I dont understand what Carlton's problem is, they can put a price on his head in the PSD anyway, but the actions of the AFL are extremely curious.

Chris Bond from Fremantle has said that Freo with the 8 delistings can match any offer Warnock puts on his head.

Given they have a pick before Carlton in the PSD - they'll recruit him again.

[Redleg 41,409]

And another thing is that we have pick one in the PSD and the AFL by extension are seeming interfering against the benefit we get from holding that pick, i.e swallowing the best uncontracted player that slips through the trade period net.

............. but the actions of the AFL are extremely curious.

Interesting point. Are the AFL trying to compromise the PSD?

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Chris Bond from Fremantle has said that Freo with the 8 delistings can match any offer Warnock puts on his head.

Given they have a pick before Carlton in the PSD - they'll recruit him again.

I am not really into the speculative stuff but I feel that this could fall our way. Could it be that we are waiting till the last minute to offer 19 for him. It seems that way to me.

The question is can we afford him or pay him. If we sweeten (ahem) the pick with one Nathan Carroll that could work. I am willing to pay warnock what we would have paid carroll. Especially seeing that Freo say they have enough room in thier cap for warnock.

Of course being contracted Carroll needs to agree to it. He might, it would be his last chance to play senior footy?

[Demon_Tingles 211]

I think that could be fair . Pick 19 and carrol to Fremantle. I don't know what is wrong with Carrol but a few years ago he was a very very good defender, probably our best. Maybe a change of scenery is what he needs and we need a ruckman there is no doubt about that and recruting one in the draft is good but we need someone who is ready to go straight away, because ruckmen take years to develop so we need Warnock.

Or dare I say it ... actually I can;t believe im saying it .. Mark Seaby. Not as bad as some think, regardless of what people say he is a premiership ruckman.

[Geddy Lee 582]

No club wants Carroll on their list, especially the one which does have him on their list.

[Demon_Tingles 211]

That's what I don't realise, who don't they. Ok he is a [censored] atm but a change of scenery and a new coach might be what he needs. Everyone in our backline looked bad this year because our forwards and midfield put no pressure whatsoever on opposing teams, and when they did look what happened, we didnt get smashed. Our backline can cope it's just we need sustained pressure.

So Carrol could be good somewhere else.

[H_T 3,049]

Interesting point. Are the AFL trying to compromise the PSD?

A very interesting point there Redleg. Surely the two clubs are big enough to sort it out themselves. The situation may have come to boiling point. Harvey & Ratts must have renewed their rivalry, neither wanting to give an inch. It's beautiful.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

That's what I don't realise, who don't they. Ok he is a [censored] atm but a change of scenery and a new coach might be what he needs. Everyone in our backline looked bad this year because our forwards and midfield put no pressure whatsoever on opposing teams, and when they did look what happened, we didnt get smashed. Our backline can cope it's just we need sustained pressure.

So Carrol could be good somewhere else.

No he cant.

You need to do more research, Carroll is a renowned social problem amongst other Clubs with a history from his time back West of social issues often revolving around alcohol.

No Club wants a culture cancer like that.

[Demon_Tingles 211]

Fair enough. Oh well its a talent wasted. Sad thing is a few years ago he could play.

[Geddy Lee 582]

Some guy from Perth on BigFooty (or his mate) actually got bashed up by Carroll back in the day at a nightclub

[QueenC 74]

I find it ridiculous that the AFL sees fit to intervene in these processes, but Fremantle has every right to demand pick 6 on the following basis - how can Carlton value Warnock as good enough to warrant a $400,000 contract and yet only be offering a second round pick. If you assume Judd is on $1,200,000 a year - I dont know if he is but its possible - then logically it follows that the trade bounty WCE received for Judd, the Dockers should get a third of that which at least equals a highish first round pick. Carlton cant have it both ways, indicating he is a platyer of great value by dint of the what they will pay him, but then offer pick 24 in exhange.

Well that is probably true but maybe not all of it from the Carlton Football Club !!!

Anyway other than providing tea and cookies I don't really see how the AFL has any right to put its nose into what is ostensibly club business.

Do they want Warnock at Carlton for their own Machiavellian purposes? Are they trying to look after Fremantles interests (something which the Dockers are a little suspect on) by making sure Warnock doesn't fall to the PSD? Or is it a little simpler than that, being they really are just tired of getting a week of crap.

I don't know, but at the end of the day the clubs will work it out, it is their right and responsibility, and if they don't then the player has other options at his disposal. If this is the process in place then it shouldn't be messed with, because it seemingly will push the AFLPA further towards advocating a free agency system.

[H_T 3,049]

.... Or is it a little simpler than that, being they really are just tired of getting a week of crap.

.... If this is the process in place then it shouldn't be messed with, because it seemingly will push the AFLPA further towards advocating a free agency system.

Both good points QueenC. I think the AFL will cop a bit more criticism at the conclusion of trade week, the way things are going. After nearly 3 days, it looks as though only one deal is close to over the line. That's Adam Thomson.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I think the AFL will cop a bit more criticism at the conclusion of trade week, the way things are going. After nearly 3 days, it looks as though only one deal is close to over the line.

That's trade week for you. However a couple of deals may get through later in the week.

And its possibly a reflection of the paucity of talent on offer this year and the distance between Clubs on market value.

[e25 5]

That's trade week for you. However a couple of deals may get through later in the week.

And its possibly a reflection of the paucity of talent on offer this year and the distance between Clubs on market value.

True, but the AFLPA will still try to use it as greater leverage to get free agency... which will destroy the game... or at least a lot of clubs

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

True, but the AFLPA will still try to use it as greater leverage to get free agency... which will destroy the game... or at least a lot of clubs

free agency cant destroy the game if its accompanied by a draft and salary cap

[mo64 5,880]

People need to realise that there are many complexities involved in many of the trades, hence very few trades get finalised in the first 3-4 days.

It's easy for a small fry like Adam Thomson to be traded as his contract would be fairly straight forward. On the other hand, for a club to obtain O'Keefe, they'd be looking to trade other players to free up salary cap room and provide draft picks to meet Sydney's demands. And the players put up for trade need to agree to be traded, find a suitable home, and come to a contractual agreement with their new club.

People may get frustrated, but the trade period can't be condensed into 1-2 days.

[mo64 5,880]

free agency cant destroy the game if its accompanied by a draft and salary cap

Free agency can work if players couldn't walk into the draft without the club receiving compensation. There would have to be an independent arbiter to assess the value of the player, and what compensation the club receives.

Also, the salary cap would need to be changed so that it was a flat $amount, which includes marketing components. At the moment, some clubs are paying close to $1.5m more than others in TPP.

[H_T 3,049]

.............

People may get frustrated, but the trade period can't be condensed into 1-2 days.

True. Clarkson reportedly travelled to Sydney today to meet with O'Keefe. If this deal can get knocked over by midday tomorrow, the dominoes may start to fall for the final day of negotiations.

[Guest unstable punt]

True. Clarkson reportedly travelled to Sydney today to meet with O'Keefe. If this deal can get knocked over by midday tomorrow, the dominoes may start to fall for the final day of negotiations.

l can't believe Hawthorn are able to get him! what about there salary cap?Crawford must be going because they need to fit $600k into there already expanding SC, and l wonder here he fits into there forward line?

[H_T 3,049]

l can't believe Hawthorn are able to get him! what about there salary cap?Crawford must be going because they need to fit $600k into there already expanding SC, and l wonder here he fits into there forward line?

If they can get him unstable, those involved with their list management must be congratulated. Don't forget they have come from the bottom in a relatively short time frame to a premiership. They should have room with their young list IMO. Although O'Keefe may have to come down a little from the reported $600K figure he placed on his head.

[The Emblem 1]

If they can get him unstable, those involved with their list management must be congratulated. Don't forget they have come from the bottom in a relatively short time frame to a premiership. They should have room with their young list IMO. Although O'Keefe may have to come down a little from the reported $600K figure he placed on his head.

Will the community benefit?