Robert Warnock

[Red and Blue Flame 179]

believe bailey was the one who was quoted about the warnock situation at draft camp- referring to trade week as the berumda triangle.

what have you got against bailey dee-luded? not so good if you dont like our coach

connolly is a legend and yes he has been doing some behind the scene work to lure robbie, but it's failed.

[Red and Blue Flame 179]

warnock race still open

but we probably want seaby as he's proven to be better and even though he's slightly older- will be better for us.

[Mono 455]

warnock race still open

but we probably want seaby as he's proven to be better and even though he's slightly older- will be better for us.

And he wants $250K per year. Much more realistic; may bring Warnock's asking price down.

[Red and Blue Flame 179]

yep

would be happy with either of them but i think for the club, seaby is more a realistic propostition, and it means we don't have to use pick 17 or 19. both good picks we shouldn't trade

[dee-luded 2,959]

believe bailey was the one who was quoted about the warnock situation at draft camp- referring to trade week as the berumda triangle.

what have you got against bailey dee-luded? not so good if you dont like our coach

connolly is a legend and yes he has been doing some behind the scene work to lure robbie, but it's failed.

I'm rapt with the coach, babie. But don't underestimate that Connells is the footy manager & wheeler & dealer.

[QueenC 74]

Demons push for Fremantle ruckman Robbie Warnock

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Must be a quiet trade week, as this is just a rehash of information already known.

[Guest Dr Jekyl & Mr Hyde]

The Warnock trade is as good as done.

You seriously think clubs wait untill October 6 before they contact eachother and discuss what they'd want by way of trade?

Fremantle fans are (absurdly) screaming for Pick #6 in exchange for Warnock.

So to keep the masses happy - the club comes out and rejects Carltons initial offer and makes a stance on "we want Pick #6".

Eventually though, after the first 3 days of Mexican stand off at Telstra Dome -

I imagine that Fremantle would know that Warnocks price wouldn't be that far off the mark of the Pick #24 that Carlton have offered - and in the interest of keeping things running smoothly and getting the deal over the line, probably would ask for a sweetener (fringe player or a swap of later picks) - just so they don't look like they've been shafted and that Carlton had been calling all the shots when the final deal is made public.

[Beetle 4,601]

The Warnock trade is as good as done.

You seriously think clubs wait untill October 6 before they contact eachother and discuss what they'd want by way of trade?

Fremantle fans are (absurdly) screaming for Pick #6 in exchange for Warnock.

So to keep the masses happy - the club comes out and rejects Carltons initial offer and makes a stance on "we want Pick #6".

Eventually though, after the first 3 days of Mexican stand off at Telstra Dome -

I imagine that Fremantle would know that Warnocks price wouldn't be that far off the mark of the Pick #24 that Carlton have offered - and in the interest of keeping things running smoothly and getting the deal over the line, probably would ask for a sweetener (fringe player or a swap of later picks) - just so they don't look like they've been shafted and that Carlton had been calling all the shots when the final deal is made public.

In an unprecedented move the AFL have assigned their own solicitor to help a deal be done between Warnock and Carlton.

Its a disgrace that the AFL are getting involved with club trading negotiations.

What right do Carlton have to receive the AFLs help on this one??

[Guest Dr Jekyl & Mr Hyde]

In an unprecedented move the AFL have assigned their own solicitor to help a deal be done between Warnock and Carlton.

Its a disgrace that the AFL are getting involved with club trading negotiations.

What right do Carlton have to receive the AFLs help on this one??

A Mediator can have a two pronged approach to tackle this issue:

i) The mediator sits down with Carlton and encourages them to meet Fremantle half way - which they wont.

ii) The mediator sits down with Fremantle and tries to convince them that #24 is a decent offer and that they should take it.

My guess is option B, but as I said earlier - its all a sham IMHO the deal would have already been agreed to in principal.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

A Mediator can have a two pronged approach to tackle this issue:

i) The mediator sits down with Carlton and encourages them to meet Fremantle half way - which they wont.

ii) The mediator sits down with Fremantle and tries to convince them that #24 is a decent offer and that they should take it.

My guess is option B, but as I said earlier - its all a sham IMHO the deal would have already been agreed to in principal.

Good summary.

I am wondering about the source of Beetle's info.

I agree its a done deal and there is alot of poker bluff going on.

[Beetle 4,601]

Good summary.

I am wondering about the source of Beetle's info.

I agree its a done deal and there is alot of poker bluff going on.

3AW

[Nasher 33,607]

It was on the Ten late news last night too. My first reaction is that it's absolutely pathetic if true. Trades are transactions between two clubs. It should remain so. IMO the integrity of trade week is compromised if the AFL start interfering.

[Guest Dr Jekyl & Mr Hyde]

It was on the Ten late news last night too. My first reaction is that it's absolutely pathetic if true. Trades are transactions between two clubs. It should remain so. IMO the integrity of trade week is compromised if the AFL start interfering.

If it is true,

The AFL are merely covering their asses - trying to get a deal across the line so that they can display to all and sundry that there flawed system of trading still works.

Remember, the AFLPA threat of "Free Agency" is knocking at the door.

[rpfc 28,262]

The AFL are worried about free agency and this would be another example of restraint of trade if a deal doesn't go through.

Personally, I feel that restricted free agency should apply in the case of long term players and Warnock has been at Freo for 3 years.

They should be helping O'Keefe get to where he wants to go.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

This may or may not mean nothing but there are carlton people bemoaning an apparent stalling in the deal. Both clubs are refusing to budge with fremantle refusing to sit down with Visy. He may or may not be headed to the PSD.

Hopefully they both stick to thier guns and we pick him up for 0.

[Demon Head 271]

Yet another abuse of the system by the AFL - AFL forced to mediate on Warnock deal and a disgrace for them to claim they were forced into it.

The AFL draft system will be challenged now in the courts sooner or later if they don't help all players who want to nominate the club they want to go to.

[45HG 1,539]

How is this possible?

How can it be jusitified? If a deal can't be brokered, it won't go through. Simple as that

[jabberwocky 2,301]

How is this possible?

How can it be jusitified? If a deal can't be brokered, it won't go through. Simple as that

I believe that fremantle has refused to come to the table at all basically saying the same thing.

[H_T 3,043]

I can't believe the AFL are involved in this deal. Wonder if Mike Fitzpatrick was involved in anyway after a call from VISY. <_<

(Pure speculation- written and authorised by HT)

[45HG 1,539]

But why do they have to come to the table at all?

Or do you mean the AFL brokered table?

[IvanBartul13 2,564]

I find it ridiculous that the AFL sees fit to intervene in these processes, but Fremantle has every right to demand pick 6 on the following basis - how can Carlton value Warnock as good enough to warrant a $400,000 contract and yet only be offering a second round pick. If you assume Judd is on $1,200,000 a year - I dont know if he is but its possible - then logically it follows that the trade bounty WCE received for Judd, the Dockers should get a third of that which at least equals a highish first round pick. Carlton cant have it both ways, indicating he is a platyer of great value by dint of the what they will pay him, but then offer pick 24 in exhange.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

But why do they have to come to the table at all?

Agreed. I suspect that freo are saying "we want pick 6 they are offering 24. He is not going to Carlton. Nothing more to say. Negotiation over. Next offer please".

I also suspect that the AFL are envisaging some backlash from Visy and the player and having the whole free agency/restraint of trade debate flare up and this is why they are attempting to get involved.

Kudos to Freo in this case. They are playing hard ball. This could go well for us.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Or do you mean the AFL brokered table?

Yes, they have refused to do the round table thing with the AFL.

[Nasher 33,607]

I believe that fremantle has refused to come to the table at all basically saying the same thing.

If that's true then I'd thank Freo for keeping some sanity in this whole process.