Not sure if he travelled to Perth, however Bailey has also named unfit Emergencies this year, see Petterd round 2, and Holland the week after he played (not sure why he does it). None of your arguments are strong about Junior being a thing of the past, admittedly his best football may be behind him, but he still has a lot to offer. You'd wonder why he was nominated as co-captain if was a thing of the past.

He did. You dont take an unfit emergency half way across Australia where you have no back up if one of your 22 is not fit to front for the game. Petterd and Holland were easily covered by others.

Conversely none of your arguments are strong why Junior should necessary continue. David Neitz was Captain for the start of the year and was past it ...sadly. Yze, Robbo were voted leaders by the players at the start of the year. You'd wonder why! Neither are a leader's bootlace.

As much I love Junior, he has struggled this year and I dont think he is the type to milk the Club for a final pension contract.

He did. You dont take an unfit emergency half way across Australia where you have no back up if one of your 22 is not fit to front for the game. Petterd and Holland were easily covered by others.

Conversely none of your arguments are strong why Junior should necessary continue. David Neitz was Captain for the start of the year and was past it ...sadly. Yze, Robbo were voted leaders by the players at the start of the year. You'd wonder why! Neither are a leader's bootlace.

As much I love Junior, he has struggled this year and I dont think he is the type to milk the Club for a final pension contract.

He needs to retire alongside a long list of others

I'm with the retirement of Junior.

The emergence of Dunn as a tagger has killed his role in our best 22.

Thanks for the Mmrs.

I think they took him, because they waited to see on another player if they would come up. I still have the feeling that there is one or two players struggling to come up week to week. I did post last week that Jones from what I've heard has been sore of late. Bruce also. I think that's why they took him.

Fair enough.

Begs the question why the coaching staff did not think Junior best 22 in the first place?

Thanks for the Mmrs.

I'd like this:

Out Newton

In Holland

What are you mate, 12?

Fair enough.

Begs the question why the coaching staff did not think Junior best 22 in the first place?

True. Otherwise it could of been just a back up in case there was a mis-hap at training the day before the match. (They left on Friday)

Grimesy.....

I am a fan of Carroll, actually do rate him even though he is not stellar and is undisciplined.

But are you honestly trying to make an argument for him to be 3rd tall with Garland, Warnock and Martin already down back? None of them deserve to be dropped, Carroll can not play on the 4th tallest oppossotion forward and just cause he has gone to half forward in the VFL does not mean he can play any driving game in the AFL, sorry but the talent difference is HUGE between leagues.

Carroll is the wrong side of 25.

We have Garland, best 22, Warnock, best 22, Martin fast proving to be best 22.

Rivers and Frawley are going to find it hard so how in the blue hell will a 27 year old, undisciplined, not entirely skilled KPB get a spot?

Granted if Marting, Warnock or Garland have 3 shockers in a row he might get a go, but even then, Frawls will prob get the nod because of his age.

Pains me to say because I do love chopper, he is a legend, but does not fit in this young side.

Out: someone

In: Petterd

Not sure who to drop, but I'd like to see Petterd make a return finally.

Obviously if Green is fit he is an automatic inclusion.

Out: someone

In: Petterd

Not sure who to drop, but I'd like to see Petterd make a return finally.

Obviously if Green is fit he is an automatic inclusion.

Green will miss. Not worth risking.

Surely Daniel bell will be dropped..... when is his contract up? this guy seriously has gone along way back since last year

bate had a terrible game and has not played great since sydney... he would be close to a run at sandy

IN: Petterd

OUT: Bell

Bell was OK yesterday, if your making way for Petterd, Bartram would be the one to make way.

Bell was OK yesterday, if your making way for Petterd, Bartram would be the one to make way.

ur right.... drop both of them

if im correct, bell played on farmer... what were farmers stats yesterday?

We should only play our younger players.

No point in playing White ect. Get some games under young belts.

B: WHELAN, WARNOCK, C.JOHNSON

HB: WHEATLEY, GARLAND, BUCKLEY

C: BRUCE, JONES, MORTON

HF: BATE, MILLER, DAVEY

F: P.JOHNSON, HOLLAND, WONAEAMIRRI

FOLL: JAMAR, MCDONALD, DUNN

IC: VALENTI, PETTERD, SYLVIA, NEWTON

EMERG: MARTIN, YZE, WHITE

Farmer 8 kicks, 2 handballs, 10 disposals of which 7 were uncontested, 1 mark, 1 inside 50, 1 goal assist and 3 tackles.

Bell 3 kicks, 3 handballs, 6 disposals of which 4 were uncontested, 1 mark, 5 tackles, 1 inside 50 and 2 rebound 50's.

Does he deserve another game???

I dont think so.

GO DEES!

B: WHELAN, WARNOCK, C.JOHNSON

HB: WHEATLEY, GARLAND, BUCKLEY

C: BRUCE, JONES, MORTON

HF: BATE, MILLER, DAVEY

F: P.JOHNSON, HOLLAND, WONAEAMIRRI

FOLL: JAMAR, MCDONALD, DUNN

IC: VALENTI, PETTERD, SYLVIA, NEWTON

EMERG: MARTIN, YZE, WHITE

I'd be dropping Warnock before Martin. I think Martin is a better long term prospect considering how little he has played football, and how much he has improved already.

I would personally like to see Garland tried forward because we are struggling for targets down there, and Frawley can come back in and cover for him in defence, as he has shown some decent form at Sandy. I'd be more than happy to Sylvia to make way for Garland in the foward line.

I'd be dropping Warnock before Martin. I think Martin is a better long term prospect considering how little he has played football, and how much he has improved already.

I would personally like to see Garland tried forward because we are struggling for targets down there, and Frawley can come back in and cover for him in defence, as he has shown some decent form at Sandy. I'd be more than happy to Sylvia to make way for Garland in the foward line.

Wouldn't be dropping Warnock just yet, but I'd love to see play Garland up forward.

OUT: Whelan(love him but he's probably not part of our future)

IN: Frawley(hopefully big part of our future)

Play Garland HF who leads up (So I agree with you there 100%)

Miller at true CHF

Newton at FF

INT: PJohnson

Bate, Wona crumbing, Sylvia as 4th marking option

Can't imagine dropping Martin, I think he's looked the goods

I'd be dropping Warnock before Martin. I think Martin is a better long term prospect considering how little he has played football, and how much he has improved already.

I would personally like to see Garland tried forward because we are struggling for targets down there, and Frawley can come back in and cover for him in defence, as he has shown some decent form at Sandy. I'd be more than happy to Sylvia to make way for Garland in the foward line.

It doesn't bother me who gets dropped in the end it could be Newton. I think Martin is long term so it won't bother him if he gets dropped but if Warnock gets dropped he'll be back at the crossroads I would persist with him for the rest of the year.

Farmer 8 kicks, 2 handballs, 10 disposals of which 7 were uncontested, 1 mark, 1 inside 50, 1 goal assist and 3 tackles.

Bell 3 kicks, 3 handballs, 6 disposals of which 4 were uncontested, 1 mark, 5 tackles, 1 inside 50 and 2 rebound 50's.

Does he deserve another game???

I dont think so.

GO DEES!

ok so you are suggesting we drop a small defender who kept a dangerous small forward to 0 goals, and 10 possessions? and just to show that he wasnt 'working up the ground' and causing problems on the half forward line he had only 1 inside 50 and one goal assist. this on a day where his team had 34 scoring shots (16 more than our 18, thats almost DOUBLE) and 66 inside 50's (26 more than our 40).

who won that battle? the defender.

why does everyone require every defender to be a massive stat getter, getting loads of ball and drive. we got smashed. smashed all over the ground, and it spent most of the time in their forward 50. but bell kept his opponent to zilch. if i was farmer i would be spewig, because i got beaten on a day i couldve had a day out.

not sure why everyone is saying bell played on farmer. whelan had him for most of the game, and garland stood him too. farmer did not get a touch until he moved into the middle late in the game. farmer is a has been and if you measure success on keeping farmer quiet well the standards are a bit low.

bell was ok and left his man - tarrant at times to get to the contest. martin was a loose man in defence for parts of the game, warnock had mcpharlin and pavlich when he rested forward. all the backs rotated, martin either had the resting ruckman or was zoning off. garland had either tarrant or farmer.

to wrap up, bell was not playing on farmer. it was garland and whelan depending on match ups.

Whelan is considered a required player.

Why some people are suggesting Martin and Warnock to be dropped, I'm not sure why. They should be given more game time and chances to prove themselves before the season finishes as Bailey pulls there strings to get more improvement.

With someone like Carroll - you know what your going to get. Ie. Bailey has seen him from an oppositions point of view, and first hand with the 1st half of this year. He is contracted for 2009.

As has already been stated. If Jmac is ready to go, he can come in for someone who Bailey feels needs more work on at Sandy. Until selection we won't know exactly who that is.

not sure why everyone is saying bell played on farmer. whelan had him for most of the game, and garland stood him too. farmer did not get a touch until he moved into the middle late in the game. farmer is a has been and if you measure success on keeping farmer quiet well the standards are a bit low.

bell was ok and left his man - tarrant at times to get to the contest. martin was a loose man in defence for parts of the game, warnock had mcpharlin and pavlich when he rested forward. all the backs rotated, martin either had the resting ruckman or was zoning off. garland had either tarrant or farmer.

to wrap up, bell was not playing on farmer. it was garland and whelan depending on match ups.

thanks for clearing that up, i asked but wasnt sure.

who did bell play on then?