For the history buffs-this is not the first time a Trott has walked away from test cricket in his prime due to mental stress.Can anyone name the other time ,player, circumstances etc.

Perhaps Harry Trott was shell-shocked?

No I just googled him,and he finished cricket long before WW1.

His brother Albert committed suicide 4 years after retiring from cricket.

You're not referring to Marcus Trescowthick trotting back home , are you?

Perhaps Harry Trott was shell-shocked?

Harry Trott suffered mental seizures that may well been epilepsy or alcoholic in origin.

He was in the prime of his career at 31-nearly the same age as his distant relative.

He was Captain of Australia at the time ,having returned victorious from an ashes tour .

He was born in Collingwood ,played for South Melbourne ,Victoria and Australia.

He recovered from a long stint at Kew to captain his state again.

His story is extremely sad.

There was an oval named in his honour in Albert Park which has since been removed by parks Vic.

There was also one named after him in Bendigo-where he played after his illness.

Edited November 26, 201311 yr by Biffen

Harry Trott suffered mental seizures that may well been epilepsy or alcoholic in origin.He was in the prime of his career at 31-nearly the same age as his distant relative.He was Captain of Australia at the time ,having returned victorious from an ashes tour .He was born in Collingwood ,played for South Melbourne ,Victoria and Australia.He recovered from a long stint at Kew to captain his state again.His story is extremely sad.There was an oval named in his honour in Albert Park which has since been removed by parks Vic.

Are you saying that Jonathon is a distant relative of the 19th century Trotts? Where did you hear that? Interesting!

Are you saying that Jonathon is a distant relative of the 19th century Trotts? Where did you hear that? Interesting!

They are related according to Johnathon.

There was also mention of Ben Wardill being a mate who visited Trott at Kew asylum.

There was a Wardill who played for Melbourne back in the day.

Clarke has a higher batting average as captain than any regular Australian skipper apart from the incomparable Don Bradman

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/bit-of-mongrel-and-we-have-a-new-captain-grumpy-20131125-2y67p.html

Pretty interesting.

google ramnaresh sarwan

McGrath called him a [censored] repeatedly and then enquired

"what does brian laras kock taste like"

sarwan answered "I dunno ask your wife"

I find that besides his wifes sickness OUR GLEN asked for this by throwing the first punch

I don't want arguments just stating facts

Antigua 2003

interesting we never seem to be the bad boys,its always the other persons fault

wont even go into the symonds one.it will just create another 10 pages of nothing

I know that I will likely get howled down for this, and potentially rightly so. But.....

Should we look at resting our two most important quicks from the last test (Harris & Johnson) from the flat track that will await them in Adelaide and instead keep them up our sleeve for Perth?

We could bring in a second spinner (Fawad Ahmed) so we'd have a leggie and an off spinenr and also bring in Faulkner to share the new ball with Siddle and give our batting some extra depth as a draw in Adelide would suit us just fine.

Siddle & Faulkner share the new ball. Watto to bowl first change, but still cap him at no more then 10 overs a day, and then the specialist spinners of Lyon & Ahmed.

We're not going to be able to bounce them out in Adelaide, so if we can play it smart there and hit them hard in Perth, that could then see us with a 2-0 lead heading into Boxing Day.

Just something to consider I reckon.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/content/story/692679.html

I know that I will likely get howled down for this, and potentially rightly so. But.....

Should we look at resting our two most important quicks from the last test (Harris & Johnson) from the flat track that will await them in Adelaide and instead keep them up our sleeve for Perth?

We could bring in a second spinner (Fawad Ahmed) so we'd have a leggie and an off spinenr and also bring in Faulkner to share the new ball with Siddle and give our batting some extra depth as a draw in Adelide would suit us just fine.

Siddle & Faulkner share the new ball. Watto to bowl first change, but still cap him at no more then 10 overs a day, and then the specialist spinners of Lyon & Ahmed.

We're not going to be able to bounce them out in Adelaide, so if we can play it smart there and hit them hard in Perth, that could then see us with a 2-0 lead heading into Boxing Day.

Just something to consider I reckon.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/content/story/692679.html

They've picked the same 12 for Adelaide but there was a small rider in there with relation to the fitness of the fast bowlers. Wouldn't surprise me if there's one change.

However, we need to reinforce our advantage and the team will be itching to get at England again. It's certainly an interesting scenario though and your idea has merit, TD. I would lean more towards still only going with the one specialist spinner though (Lyon) At issue here is the drop-in pitch - how is it going to play?

I reckon if they make any sort of change, Harris might be rested. Has he the capacity to be at his best for all 5 Tests? (given his injury history) Or we could just roll up our sleeves in true Aussie style and just get on with it!

If we win the toss and make a stack of runs, we could therefore rule out the possibility of losing the Test. As is nearly always the case, it will be an important toss to win.

I wonder if any of our Test batsmen are playing in any of the 3 Shield games that start on Friday? I'm assuming the answer is no but a couple of our blokes could do with some time at the crease ... also, it might be worth noting to see if any of our back-up fast bowlers are being rested in these matches.

The team should be unchanged.

Steve Smith should be rolling the arm over as should Clarke if his back is right.

Every time we pick a spinner based on expectation or to "pressure "Lyon it backfires.

Lyon seems to have confidence in himself now to be able to restrict runs .

If Watto lays off the cake and beer he may be able to bowl.

Let these batting all-rounders take some load off Harris.

With Mitch Johnson-you dont stop a train .Let him bowl until he is finished.

Pick Ahmed if and when he gets a big bag in Shield cricket.

I would have Agar ahead of him anyway as he is a proven test performer,gets bounce,can bat,field and irritates the Poms with his niceness.

I know that I will likely get howled down for this, and potentially rightly so. But.....

Should we look at resting our two most important quicks from the last test (Harris & Johnson) from the flat track that will await them in Adelaide and instead keep them up our sleeve for Perth?

We could bring in a second spinner (Fawad Ahmed) so we'd have a leggie and an off spinenr and also bring in Faulkner to share the new ball with Siddle and give our batting some extra depth as a draw in Adelide would suit us just fine.

Siddle & Faulkner share the new ball. Watto to bowl first change, but still cap him at no more then 10 overs a day, and then the specialist spinners of Lyon & Ahmed.

We're not going to be able to bounce them out in Adelaide, so if we can play it smart there and hit them hard in Perth, that could then see us with a 2-0 lead heading into Boxing Day.

Just something to consider I reckon.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/content/story/692679.html

I reckon if we're going to rest the fast bowlers, rest them in Perth where the replacements will do fine because of the pitch. If we rest them in Adelaide, we significantly increase our chances of losing. Faulkner and Siddle with the new ball are toothless compared to Harris and Johnson, and the last thing we can afford to do is let them bat themselves into form at Adelaide.

I'd rather play a good game in Adelaide, hopefully win it, and then rest in Perth if absolutely necessary. Lyon's bowling very well, so give him good spells in Adelaide, rotating the pace bowlers and using Watson and Smith (even Warner and/or Clarke too if possible) to keep the pressure off.

We need to keep the pressure on. The longer it takes them to square the ledger in the series, the more likely they are to keep making mistakes and playing poor cricket.

On a related note, why does CA put the Perth test right after the Adelaide test? Surely we learnt from last year and the week off should be between Adelaide and Perth instead of between Brisbane and Adelaide.

I reckon if we're going to rest the fast bowlers, rest them in Perth where the replacements will do fine because of the pitch. If we rest them in Adelaide, we significantly increase our chances of losing. Faulkner and Siddle with the new ball are toothless compared to Harris and Johnson, and the last thing we can afford to do is let them bat themselves into form at Adelaide.

I'd rather play a good game in Adelaide, hopefully win it, and then rest in Perth if absolutely necessary. Lyon's bowling very well, so give him good spells in Adelaide, rotating the pace bowlers and using Watson and Smith (even Warner and/or Clarke too if possible) to keep the pressure off.

We need to keep the pressure on. The longer it takes them to square the ledger in the series, the more likely they are to keep making mistakes and playing poor cricket.

Wouldn't bowling Smith, Warner and Clarke at Adelaide inherently mean taking the pressure off?

Interesting development ... Lehmann ponders Faulkner inclusion

However, this other article seemed a fair bit more definite ...

... Ryan Harris will play in Adelaide Test if he's fit, says coach Darren Lehmann

Even when he's not in the test side Monty gets into the news - http://m.ntnews.com.au/sport/ground-announcer-sacked-after-panesar-comments-in-alice-springs/story-fnk0b28u-1226772077510]Ground announcer sacked after Panesar comments in Alice Springs

Surely, the ground announcer gets tool of the week?

A message to ground announcers everywhere-you are not wanted and not needed .

People do not go to the cricket to hear some dickwad with a microphone "hype' the game.

Would love to see the one at the G publicly stoned too-with rocks that is.

Interesting team selection from England. They've given a cap to Ben Stokes, who bowls a bit of pace, which suggests they're bringing Panesar in for Tremlett (instead of Bresnan, which I expected).

That leaves them with only Anderson and Broad for the pace bowling, and Stokes to come on and, I expect, be treated in a similar manner to how we dealt with Woakes at The Oval.

watson playing second fiddle to rogersv who is playing second fiddle to watson LOL

suspect both badly need to make runs

still the score is ticking over slowly

whoops there goes watson - another time he fails to go on

edit: and quickly followed by rogers

Edited December 5, 201311 yr by daisycutter

watson playing second fiddle to rogersv who is playing second fiddle to watson LOL

suspect both badly need to make runs

still the score is ticking over slowly

whoops there goes watson - another time he fails to go on

edit: and quickly followed by rogers

And Smith

And now Bailey too. Four out of five batsmen to get himself in then get himself out. Each should have made more runs than they did, and we're now tracking for a sub-par first innings total on this wicket.

Poor work after most batsman got a start and did not go with it on a good batting strip.

It's very true and players like Haddin and Johnson who play through the arc should be able to take advantage of it.

Let's finish at 5 for .... Australia!

nice to see the luck isn't going all england's way for a change

yep,dropped catches,

this could send us to perth 1/0 even 2/0

Dropped catches and a wicket off a no-ball. Small things can change a series; those kinds of things going against England may just help us.

Also, Clarke - what a captain.

Anyone else think we're getting on top in this game?

nice to see the luck isn't going all england's way for a change

sensational dc.

currently 8 - 519

the wicket looks even better today.

i'd like us to have a full hour at them tonight.