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Can someone here get the link? Basically said that: Frawley was a horrible kick (cross) Frawley was a horrible decision-maker (cross) Frawley was elite reading a ball coming in long and could body an opponent. (tick) In relation to Geelong and Hawthorn, it should be buyer-beware squared.

Garry Lyon (last night FC) gave the most honest brutal assessment on James Frawley that I have ever witnessed on a professional media outlet. It really hit the nail on the head. Amazing how some wackos on these forums hit it years earlier.

You can't give BOG to a guy who regularly butchers the ball and somehow turns our advantage to a 50/50 with horrible execution. Liam Jones is cold, cold, cold, hot, cold anyway; so keeping Jones quiet has been simple for most of the year. For Frawley's sake, I hope he has his suitors conned as well as 70% of us MFC supporters. He is fool's gold.

I'll buy the TMac shares. Has a tank. Can keep the most dangerous multi-dimensional-mobile-tall quiet. Without Frawley, with Dunn has held up a defence that has had heaps of I50s against it.

Agree 100%. We will miss this guy more than any other this year. He regularly shut down the opposition gun. He regularly gets tough hard ball He regularly makes a split second correct decision He regularly handballs to advantage Viney tiring. Makes me think we are in for a tough month of footy.

Jones - not so clean Grimes - Killed by Boomer Salem - Needs a rest Watts - Getting there slowly Dawes - Not a threat Viney - Looked super stuffed Frawley - Our fool's gold Tyson - Cheap possies late McKenzie - Will be rested Dunn - Our ultimate swingman Kent - Not great overhead Cross - Killed em again Garland - I don't know McDonald - Dam wall broke Riley - Must show more Howe - Sort of OK Jamar - Tap ruck only? Bail - Not really there M.Jones - Needs a point-of-difference Jetta - Old Neville again Brad Scott - Coached absolutely brilliantly North Melbourne - Spare man victory North Melbourne - Spread too well North Melbourne - Gut run options Melbourne - Need line breakers

1. No player in the history of AFL has told his club he will go to another before his last game. 2. Frawley is worth $850k to the Dockers who are entering a premiership window. We aint and hence he is worth less. I recall Lloyd putting an appropriate price on his head earlier in the year in FC. 3. This is his last contract and he would be a fool to turn his back on a few hundred grand a year for what? A good culture? Come on. Money plus late-September action = no-brainer. We will be well-compensated so what is the problem...let him decide....whatever will be will be. 4. This thread was not really about staying or going, but what can happen when you have the guts and brains to shuffle your side a little; and how one event can cascade into something.

If Roos picked Dew then that should count for 99%. But I am glad we didn't get Dew for some reason. Kirk sounds OK, but as long as he keeps his spiritual side in check for mine. Look at the rubbish he was speaking for channel 7 before for a match intro and I felt like vomiting. I now think that our next coach is at the club; and has been for at least a year.

Or the quickest way to rebuild is pull off another Kelly for Tyson & Salem. Give up one potential superstar for 2 great players. (Caveat - I need Ben Hur to quantify/qualify my description)

Best.... Watts Chopper Lovell Garry Lyon Warren Dean (Dist.) I reckon JKH (I haven't seen as much of Salem) will have a good record by the time he is finished. There needs to be some accuracy formula that takes into account degree-of-difficulty variables such as angle (pressure is a harder one, but Salem's was max pressure I would have thought). As far as non-MFC, Jack Riewoldt is a dead-eye...apart from last week.

No good having LBA (line-breaking ability) and then coughing it up or butchering the ball. In the forward-line, butchering the ball means a point; rather than a goal against in the back-half. With Dunn, the jury is out as to whether he can maintain this golden run. No reason why he shouldn't. As Dunstall said OTC, "he is not only halving contests; he is winning them". Added to this, Dunn's decision-making (maybe) and execution (definitely) is better than Frawley and hence I maintain that Dunn's golden period is actually better than Frawley in his AA year.

True. But other clubs who need a solid mobile Full Back on paper; and an occasional hole up forward will see him as a swing-man. Note - Freo will have McPharlin and to a lesser extent Pav retiring soon. Frawley would be a good fit at Freo IMO.

IF West-Coast don't thump us..... Roos probably doesn't consider Frawley the forward. (Opposition clubs now see Frawley as a valuable swingman)....... Dunn doesn't become the main man back with responsibility and exposure. Dunn has suddenly come into AA contention. Surely Dunn's 8 weeks of footy at Full Back has been better than any 8 week period of Frawley, even in his AA year IMO. (Disclosure - I have never been excited by Frawley; however his effort in that last offensive play when he got decked in a marking contest; got up straight away to give McKenzie the 1-2 was absolutely unbelievable...and I doubt any in the comp would have bounced right up after the hit)

Essendon player would have seen the "arms-up" action of the umpire surely. Our guy on the mark obviously didn't hear it, otherwise he would have closed his space.

As long as our supporters don't get too upset/surprised when an finally opposition kicks straight and converts. It might get ugly. But 2 ugly games in over half a season we should be able to digest.

When Essendon had the ball in hand with a couple of minutes to go, the whole ground view was quite pessimistic for the MFC supporter. Essendon had 2 players completely spare a kick backward of the play. (Completely separate from their wasted opportunities) The game should have been over as soon as Chapman's short kick found a teammate, but he didn't have the luxury of time to look backwards; thanks to the 'on-again-off-again-on-again' 15m kick rule enforcement. It was the next short kick that landed in the hands of the worst decision-making in footy for a long time. As we had numbers ("plus-one") back at this stage, Essendon players were not manned up; so icing should have been an absolute piece of cake for them; especially after this second chip kick on the MCC wing in the dying stages. This is where we erred. Surely, in this situation, with the opposition defending a lead with 2 minutes to go, it is incumbent on our players to "man-up" and not leave a free player for an easy chip and hold. It will be interesting to see what we do in the next situation where we need to roll-the-dice in the last few minutes to win, and the opposition have the ball. So, without even looking backwards, the Essendon player had no choice but to kick long to their I50. Even Neeld would have instructed this very long kick to be 10m in from the boundary. The vision shows Bellchambers asking for it long toward the corridor (rather than the boundary). The long kick went quite central, and was spoilt toward the boundary. As the kick was quite central, the spoil was still in play and the rest is history. This was an absolute howler, and extremely amateurish on the part of Essendon. Most junior footy coaches would have expected more; even as young as U10 footy. Mark Thompson cannot even instill the most basic defensive common-sense strategies and/or his players are too dumb/unfit to implement it. Think about it. How many extremely tight games did the cats, under Thompson, have to pinch and hold? Not many. Nick Davis? Christian Salem? Moral of the story. 1. Thompson was never a brilliant coach; and how some MFC supporters want him taking over Roos is mind-boggling. 2a. We didn't get everything right defensively in that last 2 minute period. If Essendon just did the basics and looked for an available spare, we would have been shown up big-time. 2b. The other thing was (and I'm going by the commentary of sausage-fingers) that we didn't rush to head back after the Salem goal either. We dragged our heels a bit. 3. Thank goodness for imperfection, because it permitted the perfection and football utopia of our last offensive coast-to-coast run.

I'm just enjoying the journey. You have to crawl well before you walk; and walk well before you can run. When you hear more crying in relation to Roos' gameplan "destroying" footy, that should correlate to us being more than competitive.

And Crossy won a ruck contest. Actually Elliot tunnelled/spoiled Howe very well in the first half on QB very well.

I think the coaching genius is that: 1. Roos knows the process and systems and requirements of September footy 2. Roos doesn't look at the scoreboard and react, like most of us. He sees the micro better than most. Hence when most of the footy world, including some of us, were worried about 3 goals against Collingwood, the macro scoreboard was the last thing on his mind.

How many N's in Essedon?

A small that aint overly quick, nor does he have an Elliot-type leap, yet he is firmly in our top 22. Credit to him and Roos and Co. I wrote him off years ago. He also is willing to peel-off and go up to spoil a big marking contest, turning a 1-on-1 to a 1-on-2.

Where is the "framed autographed signed Salem kick limited edition" thing?

You weren't sitting in the middle of thousands of them. I reckon they are almost the dumbest supporter group to be honest. Calling for a free every 7 seconds of play was too much after the 1st quarter. Don't know why we stayed there. Glad we did.

Surely we won the smother count. Saved a couple of goals? Gave us a couple. This stat mattered IMO.

When you look at the replay, look at 2 contests. One where he went laterally towards the MCC members. The other in the last with 3 minutes to go, down the Southern Stand toward Punt Road. He's gotta learn to use his body to protect space. He allows the defender to get too close to the pill when he has not right to….IMO.