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Now that Ben King has re-signed with GCS, effectively saying to Saints: save your chips I'm not joining you next year, it is one Big Fish they won't see at Moorabbin in a hurry. The irony is sweet. Saints get 'clever' and walk out on negotiations with Freo and split pick 6. Ben King then shuts down the hype coming from saints' officials. Saints clearly weren't talking with him as much as they thought. Maybe talking to his parents but not to him or his manager. The saints may have badly misjudged both the Hill and the King situation. With Geelong now in the Hill frame saints may walk away with neither prospect. Snookered themselves. Their credibility isn't worth much atm. Whatever happens they aren't smelling like roses any longer.

iirc when he was dropped rather than take it on the chin, he went public with his dissatisfaction and 'heated' discussion with the coach. Hard to trust someone after that.

Good on Ben for showing he is up for some hard grind. Shows character. Next year the spotlight would be on his every move. This gives him the time to develop away from the Melbourne AFL fish bowl. Wish him well.

I didn't suggest he would. Simply clarifying what I think Mach5 meant.

I think he meant the Tom variety at Sydney.

iirc Ess also ended up in arbitration for Ryder to Port. They are habitual offenders.

Montagna may have played the game but is a Ralph like media lightweight! I put little store on what either of them say. Anyway, blind freddy can see we will be bounce back.

It could work the other way. North traded down the order in 2018. They traded out pick 11 for Polec and Pollard and some later picks. Then used later picks for their top 10 rated NGA player. This will help clubs such as us who do not have a F/S or Academy player. Wouldn't be surprised if we accumulate a few more late 2nd/3rd round 2020 picks before the Draft is over.

Quite a lot of bloody mindedness/posturing this year. Freo (Hill), Crows (Keath), Ess (Daniher), Saints (Bruce and Stevens), asking overs and the buying team walks away or stands their ground. Interesting 3 days ahead. The deals will probably get done but some of the downstream deals may not get through before the deadline. Thankfully, pick trades can continue till the end of the Draft so deals being held up shouldn't hurt us with splitting pick 3, if no player is involved. At least we get our deals done early.

And, Ess will be bloody minded, match or pretend to match Sydney's bid ala the Crows with Danger and force a trade. Sydney are honest brokers but not fools. Dodoro will end up with egg on his face if this ends up at the AFL for arbitration as his deals are prone to do.

Its poorly expressed camouflage by Ralph. He is really justifying why a recent premier should get a match winning forward, Lynch for nothing. And of course Ralph and his family are long standing and staunch Richmond supporters. If Lynch had gone to Collingwood (a recent GFinalist) and they won the 2019 premiership he would be singing a very different tune. Sadly, his 'basket-case' words reflects what a lot of the industry thinks. tbh, I'm not sure his comments will be ammunition. There have been so many such opportunities. 'Bruise -free' footballers which is a bit ancient but with the current personnel we have the last game of 2016, 2018, our obvious fall from grace by mid 2019 as examples where 'it burnt and cut' deep and we didn't respond. The players need to want and work hard for success. It needs to come from within.

This thread tracks contracts, arrivals and departures for listed and rookie players: It is pinned at the top of the Main Forum.

The first week of trade window is effectively over. There have been 6 player movements: FA: Ellis, Tomlinson, Ellis-Yeoman, Birchall, Trades: Frost, Langdon. Our club enhances its reputation to gets deals done! As an aside, only 2 trades for a week shows they should shorten the trade period.

Updated for Frost, Langdon and Tomlinson trades. I haven't put Langdon in anywhere specific as do not have length of contract. If anyone has it please let me know.

5 spots available: 4 Out: Garlett, Maynard, Lewis, Frost plus 1 unused list spot from 2019. 2 spots taken: Tomlinson, Langdon. 3 spots available for draftees or more recruits. Stretch and JKH OOC and still unsigned so potential for more list spots. Will shortly update the Contracts thread pinned to front page of this forum. If anyone has the length of Langdon's contract please let me know.

Window dressing. Frost has gone for a poor third round pick and weakened our 2019 draft hand and not improved our 2020 draft hand. I'm not in the camp that every trade needs to be a 'win' but I do think that each trade should generate some value. Can't see the value for us in the Frost trade.

A 3rd rounder will still be pick 55-65. Also, I would think our pick 42, a reasonable trading chip and would have some value in pick splitting or beefing up another trade. Giving up 61 in this trade also leaves us a big gap at the draft table. As I say not unhappy with Frost going but would have liked some value in this years draft. As it stands we have 3, 22 and then 50, 79 etc

A lot worse than 50 when factoring in about 15-20 1st and 2nd round Father/son Academy picks next year. That is why it looks to me we have given him away.

Points aside are we actually getting anything? 50 is a small upgrade on 61 Don't put much practical value on our future 4th Hawks future 2nd (35-45 range after next years F/S amd academy players) roughly equal to/small upgrade/downgrade on our current 42. Not unhappy with the trade but can't help but feel we gave him away.

Please merge with Brad Hill thread...

According to Fox the the mooted deal between GWS and Adelaide: GWS send Pick 12, 18 and their future first-round pick (2020) to the Crows in exchange for Pick 4. ie 3 first round picks. That will set a guide for the 'splitting' value of pick 3. Geelong atm, hold a similar hand but not as good as Adelaide's offer: Picks 14, 17, 24 this year. And two 2020 first round picks, their own and WCE. One would think Kelly makes WCE stronger and Geelong weaker so Geelong may have a better 2020 first round pick. If Geelong trade a few of their mid picks up the order they will hold a strong hand for pick 3. A word about 2020 picks: there appear to be a lot of F/S and Academy picks that are touted as first round picks so any later first round pick not in the top 10-12 could easily go out to 23 to 25 or worse. So doubt the real value of WCE, GWS, Geelong 2020 first round picks. Other teams are candidates for pick 3 split: Freo and even GCS who will have a swag of top 10 picks next year. At least their own natural pick, the mid first round pp and any they get for possible trades of King and Lukoscius. The risk of the Adelaide deal for GWS is that whoever we split pick 3 with might take Green who has been likened to Bontempelli and Cripps.

Couldn't bear the smug so and so prancing around in our red and blue.

Geelong are looking to trade up the order. Wells: “There’s some players we would certainly be interested in trading up if we could be sure of picking them and I guess the best way to get that is to have pick three.” cats-consider-options-with-newly-acquired-draft-picks/

That would be quite a coup as Bruce has committed to 4 years at the Bulldogs. But Saints are playing hard ball saying the Bulldogs pick #32 won't get the deal done. saints won't let Bruce go cheaply Bob Murphy would have some close contacts at the Bulldogs so it might be good intel.

All very quiet. Can't find where Frosty has asked for a trade or nominated a club or have I missed the announcements. Anyone have an update?