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Thank you. Missed that. Apologies for the red herring. Its a significant loophole to close. Really puts the pressure on GWS (and others) to do the pick swaps before draft night.

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Maybe 8 for Smith and 11? That also takes the risk of McGuinnes being bid on early for the Hawks And Frosty could be the steak knives! Joking...

Not necessarily. He will a Restricted FA so Ess can match or pretend to match Sydney's offer ala Crows and Dangerfield and force Sydney into a trade. They will play the same hard ball game they are playing now and make Sydney pay big time. So Sydney need to get it done this year. Pay big now or pay more next year. Or not draft him which would hurt their reputation. They may be ruing the catch 22 situation they in.

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GWS can get Green without pick 3 and without using pick 6. They just need to make sure they have enough points after 6 to get him. How? Live pick trading, some fast footwork and trust that another team will honour pre-arranged live pick deals! It happened last year during 'live pick trade'. Several clubs (eg Sydney with WCE) traded out their high pick when their academy player was called and used later picks. As soon as they drafted the acadamy player they live traded back in a high draft pick at around the same level as the one they traded out minutes earlier. Thereby avoided using a high pick for their player. That is powerful stuff and a lot more teams will be using that loophole this year. Back to GWS and Green. Assume he is bid at pick 3. GWS immediately trade out pick 6 hypothetically to Geelong for 14 and 18 then use their later picks on Green. As soon as they have Green they can trade 14, 18 or whatever to a team with a pick higher up the order or just keep them if they think their second choice player will fall to 14. Note: future picks can also be traded during live trade. I reckon there is a lot of jostling to go on pick trading for the next 6 weeks. Lots of live pick trade scenarios will be negotiated in advance of the draft with other teams. Edit: Just realised in this hypotetical GWS would need to use 14 and 18 for Green. So a poor example but the principle still holds. Later Edit: Thanks to @titan_uranuspost below highlighting that this loophole was closed. Puts the pressure on GWS to get a deal done before the draft. Apologies for red herring.

DF, where did you hear this? No need to name sources but an indication would be useful as right now the claim lacks credibility. As 11 is held by Hawks, it set me and others off on a wild goose chase to work out how 11 would get to GWS. Fox is reporting "... It is understood they won’t offer up Pick 42 for Patton, meaning GWS might need to settle for Pick 61". Patton Trade DF, if your claim is correct, how will GWS get 11 from Hawks or was your post trolling...?

Maybe many deals are already done and the AFL is waiting to drip feed them out in the next 48 hours to reach some 'excitement' during their live forecast on Wed evening. Altho 'excitement' and the commentators (Damian Barrett, Terry Wallace, Kane Cornes) seems an oxymoron!! It will be like watching paint dry with a drone in the background!!

Laugh you might but media talk is GWS would let Bonar go for around pick #30 and want 2nd round pick for Patton. Original draft pick status is fairly meaningless. eg HWSNBN was pick 1 and traded last year for 4th round pick. Papley drafted as a rookie just a few years ago now looks to be traded for #9+/- If Hawks do give up 11 they will want more value than those two players.

Who do GWS get 42 from? Hawks hold it. Doubt they will give it up to GWS as well as 11. The core trade would be around 3, 6, 11, Patton, Bonar plus whatever is needed for Hawks to give up 11. As I noted earlier, I think it is up to us to sweeten the deal to GWS to pass on to Hawks to get 11. It might be #26 this year but a future 2nd or 3rd would be better (for us).

Co-captain (Wines) management reportedly asked Carlton to trade for him Ollie Wants Out? Acting captain (Dougal Howard) shocked to be told to look for options having two years left on his contract. Fantasia was reportedly there and at the last minute stays with Essendon. It sounds like Robbie Gray is gettable next year. Crows are getting the limelight so Port are going under the radar. All doesn't look right at Port. Other than last year's draftees I doubt there are many players worth targetting.

Agreed it could us. Hence the suggestion of including one of our future picks with 3. It may dilute the value of picks 6 and 11 a little but it helps GWS get the deal done.

Not sure Hawks will give up 11 for just the two they are known to want: Patton and Bonar. They will want something/someone back. Unless they are going to compensate GWS for the steal involving HWSNBN last year.

So they get 11 from Hawks for Patton, Bonar and something/someone else? Edit: Maybe we give a future 2nd/3rd round to GWS which they pass to Hawks...

I don't have the answer Rusty. However, Melksham, Tom Mc, Petracca, Fritsch and occasionally Wiedeman have shown they are very good forwards. But they have played no more than a handful of games together. And our forward line is like Brown's cows. I harp on the lack of a forward coach a lot. I truly believe part of our fwd problem is that we do not have a coach who has ever played as a fwd nor coached fwds. Get us a forward coach who can develop those players into a strong unit and we will do just fine. Having said that I'm keen to see if the musings in the Key Forward Recruit thread eventuate.

iirc JJ's public complaints about the coach were not about the camp or culture. They were more self-serving; complaining about being dropped. Not good for team work or trust building and mateship.

Now that Ben King has re-signed with GCS, effectively saying to Saints: save your chips I'm not joining you next year, it is one Big Fish they won't see at Moorabbin in a hurry. The irony is sweet. Saints get 'clever' and walk out on negotiations with Freo and split pick 6. Ben King then shuts down the hype coming from saints' officials. Saints clearly weren't talking with him as much as they thought. Maybe talking to his parents but not to him or his manager. The saints may have badly misjudged both the Hill and the King situation. With Geelong now in the Hill frame saints may walk away with neither prospect. Snookered themselves. Their credibility isn't worth much atm. Whatever happens they aren't smelling like roses any longer.

iirc when he was dropped rather than take it on the chin, he went public with his dissatisfaction and 'heated' discussion with the coach. Hard to trust someone after that.

Good on Ben for showing he is up for some hard grind. Shows character. Next year the spotlight would be on his every move. This gives him the time to develop away from the Melbourne AFL fish bowl. Wish him well.

I didn't suggest he would. Simply clarifying what I think Mach5 meant.

I think he meant the Tom variety at Sydney.

iirc Ess also ended up in arbitration for Ryder to Port. They are habitual offenders.

Montagna may have played the game but is a Ralph like media lightweight! I put little store on what either of them say. Anyway, blind freddy can see we will be bounce back.

It could work the other way. North traded down the order in 2018. They traded out pick 11 for Polec and Pollard and some later picks. Then used later picks for their top 10 rated NGA player. This will help clubs such as us who do not have a F/S or Academy player. Wouldn't be surprised if we accumulate a few more late 2nd/3rd round 2020 picks before the Draft is over.

Quite a lot of bloody mindedness/posturing this year. Freo (Hill), Crows (Keath), Ess (Daniher), Saints (Bruce and Stevens), asking overs and the buying team walks away or stands their ground. Interesting 3 days ahead. The deals will probably get done but some of the downstream deals may not get through before the deadline. Thankfully, pick trades can continue till the end of the Draft so deals being held up shouldn't hurt us with splitting pick 3, if no player is involved. At least we get our deals done early.