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One more win and we have top 4 locked up.

We win one more game and we have locked in a top 4 spot

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On Quarantine: The best quarantine program in the world would not have prevented the current wave (the subject of my post) because the causes were pre quarantine ie an unvaccinated person (driver) working in the highest risk area (ferrying air crew) and and post quarantine ie human error releasing people from quarantine while positive. Howard Springs facilities in all states would not prevent those pre and post covid escapes. It is people who made mistakes outside the quarantine facilities. On Delta: Everyone knows and knew that covid would mutate. That is what viruses do. Some covid mutations have been: Brazil, African, Uk, Kappa, Beta, Alpha and Delta strains which all emerged in 2020. If our or any government had punted that eg kappa would be the problem and that didn't happen there would be outrage about how they got it wrong and should have punted on a, b, or c. And, how many governments predicted that Delta would become the nightmare it has; targetting young people behaving very differently to other strains? It wasn't until Delta spread to the UK in April and the tragedy in May in India that there was advice that a tsunami was coming. April/May wasn't very long ago. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. No country has had a crystal ball on the impact of Delta.

Snap!!

I used a chart on this page: https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/australias-covid-19-vaccine-rollout Lots more info on that website: https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccines/australias-covid-19-vaccine-rollout

My difficulty with political type posts is that they usually present just one side of the story. There are a variety of reasons why we are where we are: Low vaccination rates: lack of supply due to fed government stuff ups, EU withholding supply etc, lack of and miscommunication due to Europe's bad PR on AZ, ATAGI vacillating on advice, state CHO's not supporting ATAGI recommendations, language barriers etc lack of demand due to complacency, anxiety, cultural influences, antivaxers Irresponsible people. The current east coast wave started when an unvaccinated 60+ man worked in the most high risk job possible: transporting air crew from airport to accommodation. Not blaming him - it is his right not to get vaccinated. But he should not have been in that job. Like any work Health and Safety policies all stakeholders need to be protected. Its like if people don't wear a safety harness they don't work on skyscrapers. The man should have been given another role in a low risk area. Human error: People being released from quarantine while positive. Delta mutation: Its arrival and age group targets surprised everyone. It made early vaccination plans to do older folks first somewhat redundant. Younger folk needs have increased demand. I could go on but I hope people see the bigger picture.

Thanks. Quite right. Edited

As of yesterday: Fact 1: Approx 21% of >16yo have had both shots. Fact 2: Approx 43% of >16yo have had first shot.

Can we keep gratuitous abuse of people out of this thread please. We have had a whole week without it and the discussion in this thread has been objective, constructive and informative.

Worth watching Nicks' press conf: emotional-nicks-stands-with-indigenous-players-in-wake-of-walker-slur especially the first 10 minutes. Raw. Powerful. Poignant. Tex may be lucky to play again.

In play + reasonable to try fend off + Danger slipped = No case to answer. As comparison: Hawkins had no case to answer with his (well disguised) elbow to the head of May. I can't remember the rating but probably, careless, high (head), high impact as May was hospitalised and missed a week. Toby assessment should be the same. Go Giants!!

Toby should be safe. Commentators so keen to condemn him they failed to notice that Danger started to squat to tackle but his left leg slides out from under him. Had he not slid the elbow/arm would have got Danger in the chest. Also Fritsch got off on something similar (the forearm). The Tribunal set a precedent in the recent Buddy case of accepting similar incidents as evidence so they will have to accept the Fritsch decision. #tobyplayson

No shadows at all, BB. I am surprised how little discussion there has been about this regarding the relative benefits of different vaccines. From what I have read, mRNA has not been used for human vaccines before whereas the AZ technology has an established vaccine history for humans. For that reason alone I am very happy to have AZ. I have decided that when boosters are needed I will go for AZ for that reason. Also, I prefer to stick with one technology than 'mix m match' - who knows what the future consequences of such is. I believe few in the media understand this difference. On a related note moderna-says-its-covid-19-shot-maintains-high-efficacy-after-six-months. Moderna, like Pfizer is an mRNA technology. Extracts: "Moderna says its COVID-19 vaccine is about 93 per cent effective through to six months after the second dose, showing hardly any "change from the 94 per cent efficacy reported in its original clinical trial. It compares favourably to data from Pfizer and BioNTech last week that showed their vaccine’s efficacy waned about 6 per cent every two months, declining to around 84 per cent six months after the second shot. While the shots are similar, they are not identical. Moderna’s doses contain 100 micrograms of vaccine, while Pfizer’s contain 30 micrograms". I foresee when the media clue on to this they will start spruiking Moderna over Pfizer and we will see another good vaccine demand fall and people start chasing Moderna. For mine, I will stick with the 'tried and true' of AZ and take my chances. .

True. 21 years from our last GF appearance 'Dante'. Lord knows when we might make another one or even this one. Will take my chances. At worst road trips around SA and WA will be like heaven after so much lockdown here and the 'threat' of 'snap lockdowns being the new normal', hanging over our heads. Very happy to get out of this state for a while.

We won't get the finals: The Vic Premier has said 'snap lockdowns are the new normal'. I have a lose loose plan for WA if we make top 4: Drive to SA when that border is open to Victorians, tour around for a bit. Then put the car and travellers on the Indian Express to Perth (or a convoy of cars across The Nullabor) while SA/WA border is open. Tour around WA, returning to Perth for our finals games. Assuming snap lockdowns give a window to get to SA the plan should work... As an aside, all finals could be held in WA as they have both Optus and Subiaco ovals available, if Subiaco is still of a standard.

I don't mind it being wet. Eagles play a kick/mark/control game so need to be accurate by foot. It will be a heavier ball, harder for their players to quickly get to positions and us scrambling to intercept and bring the ball to ground. Of late, Eagles players don't seem to want to get down and dirty; figuratively and physically.. Bring the pressure and they will fold, especially without Shuey in the middle to harass us. Let it pour!!

The Carlton figure has to be a furphy!

The Age has written: Patrick Dangerfield said Viney’s suspension was “probably about right” but admitted it reflected poorly on the game. “I’m sure Jack would admit this – it’s not something we want to see in our game. It’s certainly something that we want to stamp out,” Dangerfield said on SEN. “It’s an ugly look, there’s no doubt about it. Jack plays on the edge, he’s an aggressive player, but I also believe him to be a fair player as well. I don’t think we should hang him out to dry. “He’s copped his whack, he’ll no doubt be disappointed and we all move on and learn from it as a code and individually, and we get better from it.” I dislike Danger intensely but I don't have much of a problem with his comments in this instance. Jack did say at the Tribunal that it wasn't a good look for the game so no problem with that part of Dangers' comment. Yes, he said 2 weeks was about right and we would all disagree. But, I like what seems to be genuine praise for Jack, which I have bolded. Hopefully, that quietens the idiots saying it should be 3 or 4 weeks.

It would be disappointing if Harmes has not accepted his role especially as so many others have accepted changes. The most obvious example is Gus. Not only has he accepted the wing role he has embraced it and is a real asset to the team. Viney is spending time fwd, Oliver is playing a bit more outside etc. The irony is that all those role tweaks/changes enable Harmes to spend more time in the middle. Harmes came as a life long dees fan, a rookie, made a real go of it and earnt a long term contract. It would be sad for him to go. He still has a few years to go on his contract so I guess it is his choice to play the team game or to move on.

I'm a cryptic fan... but more clues please

I didn't claim the vaccine stops someone getting infected nor did I imply such. I said: "A reminder that no-one is 'safe'. And no vaccine is fool proof. Not that anyone claims they are... it encourages people to go and get any approved vaccine. It is the only protection there is. So I'm not sure why you have taken issue/quoted my post. Perhaps you assumed that by 'protection' I meant 'prevention'. In the context of 'no vaccine is fool proof' I'm not sure that would be a valid assumption, if that is what your post was about. There is a lot of terminology thrown around and used somewhat interchangeably by some spokespeople and the media when talking about vaccine benefit which is usually expressed as a %: % efficacy, % effectiveness, % prevention, % protection. I'm not going into the definitions nor the semantics. All I know is it is best to be vaccinated and that is what my post was about. I recognise that when fully vaccinated I can still get infected, become ill and pass it on. However if (in your words) I 'might not test positive or show symptoms', then I am ecstatic as it will be like never having got it. I may not be that lucky but at least the vaccine improves my chances in that regard. Whether that state is described as vaccine 'efficacy', 'effectiveness', 'protection', 'prevention' or something else I'll leave it to you and others to debate.

Two questions are begging: Did anyone on the demons side ask to see the wording before the hearing? Why didn't Anderson clarify Gleeson's wording at the beginning of the hearing, when Gleason described the charge? Or at least point out to the Chairman that the demons had a different understanding of the wording before Jack put in a guilty plea. The wording confusion would explain some odd comments attributed to Gleeson of Jack's testimony that imv, did not work in Jack's favour.

I have provided more than enough info to support that Anderson didn't know, didn't understand or didn't check the details of the charge which Gleeson read out at the start of the hearing. You want to keep refuting everything I present and keep saying I'm wrong great. Go for it. I'm out

Ok, suggested. Even suggesting Viney's evidence is 'nonsense' makes it difficult for the Tribunal to take Viney's word as was proposed in the post I was responding to From AFL report: 2 hours ago SERIOUS MISCONDUCT AFL counsel Jeff Gleeson describes Viney's offence as the pinning of the opponent to the ground and pressing and holding his elbow into the neck/throat region for a prolonged period of about five seconds with force. Whichever way people spin it, Anderson should have checked if his interpretation re the jaw was correct before Viney put in a plea not at the time the penalty was to be decided.