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I haven't watched or listened to every single different broadcast so a curiosity question: Is there a better description of those 4 goals that encapsulate that moment so succinctly?

Wanted to report back to DL the outcome. I received my shipped order today with all the items that had the messages highlighted above included 🙃🙂🙃. While I haven't heard back from the club to clarify the messages, my conclusion is that if I wanted to add some to my original order they are no longer available to re-order. Don't hold me to that but it makes sense of the messages. Very happy.

I just received some of my mfc order and noticed a lot of things: scarf, mouse pad, stubbie holders, had the following on them: MELBOURNE FOOTBALL CLUB 21.14 140 DEF WESTERN BULLDOGS 10.6 66 To roughly that scale and the final score very prominent. Not sure if it is typical of GF memorabilia but I reckon it is a bit cheeky displaying the scores! Think what fun it will be using a stubbie holder with whatever drinks one fancies, when there are doggie supporters around! Not to mention the smile on my face every time I use my mouse which is constant!

The problem was that clubs were not putting development into the NGA players. They just happen to live in a club's arbitrary zone. I can think of at least 6-8 first round picks (a few top 10) claimed by clubs in recent years. NGA suffered from the outset in that they had a very loose definition of an 'NGA'. And, it lacked rules/criteria around level of development a club must do to have the right to match a bid. The AFL chose a 'quick fix' (ie can't match in first 20/40).which it isn't. From next year if a club can't match until >40 ie round 3 the whole concept of NGA will be meaningless. As you say why would a club bother. That aside I agree if a club has put a bit of development effort into a player and they are not allowed to match then some compensation should be provided, at least in these transition years.

NGA nominations closed yesterday. Anyone know if we nominated NGA in case he gets past pick 20? Unlikely, but who knows.

western-bulldogs-list-out-of-contract-players Over half their GF team is OOC next year including some of their finest: Zaine Cordy Bailey Dale Caleb Daniel Josh Dunkley Tim English Mitch Hannan Jason Johannisen Jackson Macrae Alex Keath Stefan Martin Josh Schache Bailey Smith Can they keep the best 6 or 7 happy... ? Just as well they didn't win the premiership or they would have a bigger sal cap problem!!!

NGA nominations closed yesterday. Anyone know if we nominated him for the right to match a bid? If we nominated him we can opt not to match or if he gets through the draft take him our very last pick or in as a B rookie?

Any news? I would think 5pm is the latest time for nominations...

In case folks don't know, the best way to check the status of an mfc order is to login to your account on the Demon Shop webpage. iirc the club sent a link at the time of confirming the order. That is how I learnt of the items that weren't shipped/not available. As an aside I had a look at the AFL Shop website and it has in stock the items mfc tell me aren't available including the grey Premiers t-shirt which my account says 'no longer for sale'. Gives me a little optimism that mfc may still have some stock.

Before Port he was at Brisbane... Has been at three clubs at 29 years old. Now paid out the last 2 years of what was said to be a lucrative contract. Rarely shown team first attributes. Not our type! Pass.

All up my order was also several hundred dollars and placed on GF night so will be upset if it turns out orders received later were filled first. But will wait and see what the clarification is before I get too excited. I saw your post about Amazon so looked at their website. They have some of the items omitted from my order saying they are in stock, albeit some at low levels and delivery expected 3rd/4th week of November. I'm trying hard not to make assumptions about stock allocation and order fulfilment processes... Am 🙏 this ends well...🤞

Thanks for the encouragement guys. Some more info: This is what my account says for the various items not shipped: This product cannot be reordered because it's out of stock. OR Unfortunately this product is no longer for sale so it cannot be reordered. The items not shipped weren't on 'pre-order' when I placed the order. I figure that at some stage I might get the items with the first message but not those with the second message and unfortunately the latter includes the grey 'Premiers' t-shirt. I've emailed the Demon Shop to clarify those messages but I know they are under the pump so will patiently await their reply. The shipment email said: No tracking numbers are assigned to your order yet. I'm guessing this is up to Aust Post to issue when it gets to their parcel centre. Not too fussed about this as they are also really under the pump. I'm sure what has been shipped will arrive in due course. Refund wasn't mentioned for the unshipped items.

Yes, today is the deadline. Not sure of time.

My order was placed within an hour of the game finishing. Heard nothing for a month and no action shown on my account since the order was placed. After checking with the Demon shop several times (who were very helpful and apologetic), I received an email this week saying it had been shipped (from the warehouse to Aussie Post). However, on checking my account most of the items weren't included and now are not available for re-order. I can only imagine that thousands of orders were filled before mine. One would think they would fulfil the orders roughly in the sequence submitted but not the case apparently. Really disappointed to have missed out on those items. Still waiting for Aussie Post email advising a tracking number...

How good is is that the club kept encouraging him and giving him programs to work on even tho we knew he would be out of reach.

From the foxfooty article above: “So one of the players took some initiative … took some cash out, a big lot of cash like $10,000, and went up to management and said: ‘Mate, here’s 10K, you open the top level.’ Security escort them straight up. I call BS on that! Who in their right mind rocks up anywhere let alone a nightclub with a cool $10K in their pocket?

There were only a few of the 2016 Premiership team playing: Bontempelli, Wood, Libertore, JJ, Daniels and maybe Hunter. That is pretty much the leadership group, no? Very poor role models if that claim about 'abusing' our players is true. Our leaders walk the talk on humility and respect. If they are upset about our players singing 'Freed from Desire' they are as soft off the field as they were on the field in the GF.

They'll probably trade #2 down the order a bit. But they seem to have free hits in the first round most years when really good players leave eg they got a bunch of them last year when Cameron left.

The issue with GWS or GCS being interested with top 10 picks is that they have so many of them year in and year out, they can afford to 'throw money' at whoever they want with little regard to value. This is especially true of GCS.

In response to Mac Andrew questions, draft guru 'Knightmare' wrote on bf: "He gets completely bullied at ruck contests physically. Put a body in his way and stop him from running and jumping at the ball and he's unable to impact the contest. So he's very much a long term project". "Some may be viewing Andrew as having key position scope. And maybe he could develop as a key defender. But with the way he leaps and so perfectly places his ruck taps for his teammates, I'm still at least projecting him in the long term as best suited to playing through the ruck". He seems some way from the crash and bash of ruck work so it is no place for him for quite a few years. Elsewhere, I've read his one on one work isn't great; not surprisingly given his slight build. These skills can be developed but in the short term he wouldn't fare well as a KPF or a KPD. Jackson took English to the cleaners in the GF. I mention English as he seems to not like the physicality of ruck work. Imagine what Jackson will do Andrew in the ruck if he plays there in the next few years. I'm thinking that even if we were allowed to match a bid for him in the top 20 we would probably pass.

This is the most significant part of the article: "The eight events are being organised outside the Melbourne Football Club’s control by event company, DAPS Entertainment". And odd attitude by the promoter: "I’ve got large overheads. I book all the players though their agents, not the club. I’ve got to hire the venue and the venues aren’t cheap. There’s tech crews, memorabilia and it all adds up... “I will not run these events at a loss. I’m not in the events business to lose money. I’ve got to cover my costs and hopefully make something in return from it". It sounds like he has engaged the players directly through their managers. Presumably the club has no control over their external promotion/appearance contracts. But gee whizz this is effectively promoting the MFC's Flag and importantly using the MFC Brand which could so easily be tarnished by this guy, so hopefully someone at the club has endorsed it. I wonder if he is using an official AFL replica Cup...

I don't get GCS using a top draft pick for someone who is unlikely to make an impact for several years. They need more ruck support now if they have any hope of climbing the ladder. Also, he isn't really a buddy/replacement if King returns to Victoria at the end of 2022. Even if they split pick three for a lower pick (and a future 1st) they will still be using a top 8-12 pick to draft Andrew. From afar, their interest doesn't make a lot of sense.

A real improver this year. Helped by being played in his 'best' position. It was really sad that he missed the finals after missing the 2018 finals. Who knows if he wasn't injured he would be a premiership player. Nonetheless, his sheer joy after the GF showed how well he dealt with any disappointment and exemplified 'being a good teammate'. . Its no secret that he is my equal number one favourite player. He is OOC next year and a RFA. A bit of talent and competition coming up the ranks. Hope he stays.

He did an excellent job on Hawkins in the Prelim when May went off with hamstring issues. If he puts on a bit muscle, learns a few more tricks from May and in due course can replace him. Contract renewal is for 3 years 'til end of 2025. By end of 2025 May will be a smidgeon under 34 (January birthday) if he is still playing. Petty will be 26. Great signing not just now but for future list planning. Edit: Just noticed that he will be an RFA at the end of the contract. Imagine if he has another premiership medallion or two and will be 26; at his peak. Will be in huge demand. Oh well. Let's make hay while the sun shines with him and the other premiership youngsters.

Yes. Last year clubs were allowed to move senior list players to the rookie list without the player having to go thru the draft. The AFL treated these moves as delistings. Thereafter the player is an RFA every time they are OOC.