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But someone still has to be dropped from the 22? Who goes out: JJ, Sparrow? Can't see it. Salem in, Rivers the medi-sub.

Heppell: "The hardness and the firmness and what you're talking about with being a 'nice' football team, it's not about giving away free kicks or showing full-blown aggression...It's when the ball's there to be won, that's what we want to stand for (and) playing good, quality, tough footy." Not sure he gets what uncompromising and ruthless football is about and that is what wins games. He should watch the GF carefully and see how Salem, May, Viney, Kozzie, to name a few, flattened opps legally. Not one free given away. No injury to themselves. He should watch how Brayshaw and others wear a tackle rather than dish off the ball to take the heat off themselves. He should watch how May's legal 'payback' to Zac Jones for tunnelling Langdon and push on Oliver/ These are examples of tough, uncompromising, ruthless football. Legally. As long as he, the captain, doesn't (or sounds like he doesn't) understand the difference between 'full-blown aggression' and 'ruthlessness' they will wallow at the bottom. May it long continue! He could have intended it as ra ra for the fans but he didn't come across as a ruthless leader. Essendon - the new 'bruise free' team.

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Hit the nail on the head. In an interview last week Staffford was talking about the Saints game and said there were things we wanted to work on in our game and coming up against a good side like St Kilda tested those and he referred to 'contest' and 'territory'. I suspect that experimenting happens quite regularly but is invisible to the observer. Wouldn't be good if commentators could identify changes in tactics rather than describe what we can see and waffle on about trivia and irrelevancies. Of course, it won't happen.

Goodwin may have been the one to give Jack 5 and Simpson gave him zip. Like you I fail to see how either coach gave him zip. And you make a good point about team roles as I didn't see Petracca's game as BOG or 2nd BOG but the coaches did so who knows what they see. Sometimes, I wonder whether a fan's view is affected by the camera following the ball so we don't get to see the off ball work so well.

9 Christian Petracca (MELB) 6 Kysaiah Pickett (MELB) 5 Jack Viney (MELB) 4 Clayton Oliver (MELB) 2 Angus Brayshaw (MELB) 2 Max Gawn (MELB) 1 Tom McDonald (MELB) 1 Tim Kelly (WCE) Split: 5/4 Petracca 3/3 Picket 5/0 Viney 4/0 Oliver 2/0 Brayshaw 2/0 Gawn 1/0 McDonald 1/0 Kelly Going on the DL votes many would be surprised to see both coaches rated Petracca so highly. Other than Petracca and Picket the coaches were all over the shop... Goodwin rated only one of Viney/Oliver, Brayshaw/Gawn. Reckon it was Viney and Gawn. Good to see Kozzie among the votes by both coaches. Great recognition. Leaderboard Oliver catching up to Cripps ☺️ 53 Patrick Cripps CARL 51 Clayton Oliver MELB 49 Lachie Neale BL 47 Andrew Brayshaw FRE 44 Christian Petracca MELB 41 Callum Mills SYD 38 Touk Miller GCFC 32 Bailey Smith WB 31 Jack Crisp COLL 31 Hugh McCluggage BL 31 Darcy Parish ESS 30 Max Gawn MELB 30 James Sicily HAW 29 Shai Bolton RICH 28 Charlie Curnow CARL 27 Jeremy Cameron GEEL 27 Jack Higgins STK 26 Tom J Lynch RICH 26 Jack Steele STK

That is a reason why it was a favourite!

I reckon he will do fine. The trick to playing Cameron (as with most fwds) is to stay goal side. Jayden has the speed to run Cameron down when he tries to lead for the ball. And our other small defs back up really well. Cameron is too good a player to keep quiet all day but he will need to outsmart Jayden to kick big scores.. The problem for us will be that even if we hold Cameron; Bailey, Lyons etc can get free. Lions have multiple ways to score.

Thank you. If I 'convert' your table to actual games my thoughts are: We will smash Geelong at Kardinia Park. They are our bunnies! 🙃 Agree with the lower probability for Freo and Lions as their Home games. Reckon we have the Bulldogs spooked even at Marvel. Reckon Sydney and maybe Port are risky games. Therein are the 3-4 losses.

You also have us with 18.4 wins. Out of interest which games do we lose?

Good to see squiggle has us nearly 2 games +% clear of 2nd. Home Finals here we come!!

Ben might just be inclined to score more than the whole North team put together.

I liked that some posters were decent enough to defend Ben and enjoy his success. The rest I put into 'the haters will hate' category. If any of their fans turn up this week it will be interesting to see if they boo (last year's North game was in Hobart so their die hards weren't there).

I first noticed it vs Port when he kept Motlop quiet. Noticed again a few weeks later when he kept Bolton quiet and commented about it in one or more DL threads at the time. Then Breust vs Hawks etc. He has continued doing it and it is now being highlighted by the coaches and DL are giving him more respect. He has made the 'Jetta' role his own which is why I do not think he will be dropped when Salem returns. Others can perform the role but he has been handed it and excelled at it. My equal #1 favourite player!!

Separated out the bf dialogue about Brown: I’ll be booing that money hungry curly haired pasty vegan Let’s get a steak sponsor and put the image on the ball - he won’t go near it Shouldn't be too hard, we have plenty of butchers You know your footy team is f’ed when comments like the above and others make you laugh at the actual reality of it all Nah fu** that ungrateful attitude. Brown is an absolute legend and quality KPF who our incredibly incompetent list management team threw away for peanuts. Ungrateful? Only one person in all this scenario was ungrateful. Ben isn’t a legend. Was happy for him to get a medal. Great bloke, great player. Good for you…I was furious. He can choke on his medal. When things got tough at the club he tried to hold us over a barrel for money. The worst part is we accepted unders for him. I hope Ben gets some genuine feedback on his behaviour in 2020, it might be the only thing we can get out of the game. He knew when to jump ship. Good on him. JHF will be next. Who wants to play for a basket case team. Brown turned us down to try and use us for leverage he didn’t have. We offered to make him about the most highly paid player on our list and he said ahhh nah. Then went and got paid $150k less a year elsewhere. My favourite: Shouldn't be too hard, we have plenty of butchers You know your footy team is f’ed when comments like the above and others make you laugh at the actual reality of it all Gave me a good laugh!

From Bigfooty: More doom and gloom. Doesn’t matter. They will kick a cricket score against us next week. Could 186 be under threat? 160 points. Brown will kick 10 They are at least on a 6 day break coming back from Perth. Hopefully they can take it easy on us. Forfeit the round and send the boys on the Kokoda Trail. Lets get everyone on the page, then give them an ounce of coke and 15 boxes of booze. Go! Unless they go easy on us, our infamous Fitzroy defeat of '83 is in danger and BBB will beat his 10 goal haul. If they bring their A game this will be a 150 point margin. I think they'll ease off tho. No point going harder than you need to be. Will be satisfied with anything under 70 points Genuine question - what would people prefer:- total 18 player flood defence leads to final score where we lose 80-13 or play the more traditional structure and lose 166 - 52? The only way our forward structure will score 52 against Melbourne's defensive structure is if they take half a dozen blokes off the ground in pity. But to answer your question, I'd take trying to play proper footy and losing 52-166 any day over not even trying to score for a whole match and still getting thrashed. I literally can't name one player from our team yesterday who would be regularly getting a game for them. If they are at all serious they win by 100. If they put the foot down then it will get very very ugly. Can we just forfeit? Please? Hopefully the D’s just go through the motions and get a routine 80 point win, no injuries, fanfare etc just like we used to for 10 years. Lets pray they’re not in the mood for one of those ‘we owe these campaigners‘ a bloodbath type slaughter fest wins My favourite: If we forfeit the round it will actually increase our percentage!!!! Perfect week for the godees to rest …The whole side I reckon we can beat WC score. We have been living rent free in opp fans heads. I would say the same can be said for opp players and coaches. Not many would fancy their chances against us.

Thanks. I thought it could be temporary. Still, its a good metaphor for where the club and its fans are at🙃.

The MRO will get him on 'potential to cause damage' rule which they invoke when it suits them. Meanwhile the Tom Lynch raised elbow to the head of the Hawks player was judged to 'not be unreasonable!! Ignored the potential for damage rule!! Lynch - premiership player Chandler - a kid starting out. No guessing who will be the sacrificial lamb. Chandler may get a week but if the MRO was consistent so should Lynch, who has a heap of priors.

Checked the Eagles Flying High site look for their game thread. Historically the site has had very little activity but didn't expect this: It could be temporary but with only 27,000+ fans at the game, many of whom were dees fans, the eagles fans seem to have closed up shop. Like their team, no grit and fair weather sailors!

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No MFCSS here! Yes, that 2014 Ess game was a nightmare but this isn't that team. It was light years away from where we are now. The whole WCE club has thrown in the towel: They are officially using the 'R' word chairman-s-message Dees by 6-8 goals.

Barely touched the ball. Just seemed to strut around. Parker took the mickey out of him with a shoulder shrug jig after kicking a goal after Sheil fumbled the ball. The jig suggesting Shiel is frightened to go in hard for the ball. Video of the sledge here: -luke-parker-sledge-to-dylan-shiel Quite funny!

Nope, its based on how many of their 2020 GF team still there and with the exception of Riewoldt and Cotchin in good form. Riewoldt can still turn in a high scoring game. They have unreal finals experience and belief. They know how to turn it on in the finals even if they haven't had the best H & A season. Not saying they will but even if they aren't top 4 they are the most likely to give the finals a good shake outside the top 3. And on their day they can roll any of the top 3.

It is highly likely top 3 will be Demons, Dockers, Lions. 4th spot is up for grabs for one of Blues, Cats, Saints, Swans or Tigers to do a 'Bradbury'. The threat is the Tigers, having comfortably won every game since Dusty returned; admittedly those games were vs Eagles, Pies and Hawks. If Tigers get on a roll they can roll any of the top 8 teams. Hopefully they don't finish 4th and will have a harder finals run. For us, finish top 2 and win the first final and all our finals will be at the G. Lose the first final and we will most likely play an 'Away' Prelim, if we make it. An interesting aspect is whether Dockers, Blues, and maybe the Saints suffer 'finals nerves'. The further they go the more stressful it will become.

I thought Khamis was appealing for an ITB free (which looked like it was there) not dissent per se.