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Premier: Melbourne Runner-up: Brisbane Wooden spoon: Eagles Moving up: Richmond Set to fall: Eagles Brownlow Medal: Oliver Coleman Medal: Fritsch NAB AFL Rising Star: Daicos Best new Demon: Howes Demon All Australian: Oliver, Petracca, Fritsch, May, Lever, Salem Demon B&F: Oliver/Petracca Big Call: Need to think about it... Ladder prediction: 1. Melbourne 2. Brisbane 3. Sydney 4. GWS 5. Port 6. Bulldogs 7. Richmond 8. Geelong Edit: NSM: Petracca

Might I add the NSM?

How many 'elementary 30mt set shots' has he missed? As I mentioned above 22 of his 29 in 2021 were within 30m. Are there comparisons of his set shot kicking with the other players named? Petracca also had 19 goal assists in 2021 and given that most of his time is spent fwd of centre I would say he is honouring up field work as a link player. Bettered only by TommyMc who had 22 goal assists, also a link player. Sometimes I wonder if people are looking for 'faults' in a player just to support pre-conceived/outdated ideas. Not just referring to Petracca there, it seems to happen regularly on DL.

Toohey was also let off the hook GCS thrashed the cats in the middle. Very easy centre clearances. Witts was placing the ball perfectly. Among their other issues Geelong will suffer from not having an excellent ruckman. They were defensively woeful near GCS goals. And not so great around the ground. They were like witches hats at time. Can't read to much into practice games but it didn't look like they had fixed some weaknesses.

He kicked 29/19 in 2021 with 22 within 30 mt of goal; mostly snaps in a pack with some set shots. The other 7 were set shots further out. That suggests that his role is to play close to goal and scout the packs like an opportunistic small forward. His field kicking is very good considering he usually has 2 or 3 players hanging off him. Only a handful of our players are better kicks. imv its time to debunk the 'Petracca can't kick myth'.

I'm not sure I get the fascination of comparing Oliver and Petracca. They are trained for and play different roles so they display different attributes and excel in different abilities. They both have faults but they play roles that make the most of their respective strengths. If their roles were reversed how would they fare? Could Petracca excel at 'getting his own ball' and have an elite level of possessions etc. Could Oliver have the goal kicking record of Petracca. Is Oliver's field kicking better than Petracca's. etc We will never know so comparisons don't mean much and choosing one as better than the other seems to reinforce people's pre-conceptions rather than based on something tangible. And as for saying Petracca gets the PR gigs because of his looks and the way he speaks, well how superficial is that!! Oliver has his own qualities that are publicly endearing: an impish grin, is a bit of a larrikin, humble and a champion in his own right. So very easily lovable by not just Dees fans. And there is no reason why he couldn't work on his public speaking. I recall he was very articulate in his early BnF speeches so not sure what has happened to that talent. And tbh imv we have better looking and more articulate and coherent speakers than either of them. Maybe, just maybe Oliver doesn't want the limelight. Or maybe it is a contractual thing. Who knows. But assuming PR gigs are based on looks and speaking ability. WOW! As others have said it is a joy to have them both and I love them both for who they are and what they bring to our club.

I haven't been watching games today. How is the 50m rule going?

Can the girls emulate the men and snatch top spot on the last game? Nothing in it at this stage. Current Ladder: Thoughts: We must win to guarantee a top 2 spot. Lose and Brisbane, who play after us, could overtake us on %. Adelaide vs Saints is at Moorabbin which is much larger than their home ground, maybe limiting their scoring ability. While Casey is a ground advantage for us the conditions will make it hard for us to kick a big score. The big advantage of finishing 1st is that the highest placed team in the GF gets the Home ground. Its unlikely to see the ladder positions change. A top 2 spot gives us a Home prelim and a week off before that game. Assuming both Adelaide and Melbourne win next week, top spot will come down to %. At this stage their is nothing in it. Then: If we get top spot our prelim is vs the winner of semi final between 4 and 5, currently North and Fremantle. Most likely Fremantle. If we get 2nd spot our prelim is vs the winner of semi final between 3 and 6, currently Brisbane and Collingwood. Most likely Brisbane We can beat any of those teams in a prelim, especially at Casey. Top spot will be nice to get the Home GF (assuming we win the Prelim). But I doubt the GF will be at Casey as not many people can fit in. A few years ago they got 40,000+ at Adelaide Oval. My guess is if we get there, it will be at Marvel stadium, which should suit us very nicely with the roof closed. As Adelaide were beaten at Home by Bulldogs and North nearly beat them there today I reckon we can beat them there. So bring it on! And, Go Dees!!

Carlton

Overjoyed with our win. Very impressed with field kicking and the distances our girls were able to kick it. Feel a bit sorry for Freo. Hope we don't meet them in the finals - they will be out for revenge and are good enough to extract it. But if we do it will be at Casey; our fortress!!

North look too far behind on % to dislodge us from top 2. Lions are the only likely threat but everything would need to go right for them: two huge wins vs North and Bulldogs plus we lose to Carlton. North and Bulldogs (if Coll lose today) have a lot to play for so don't see those games as easy wins for the Lions. It would be nice to for Coll to get over the Crows today.

So true! Not to mention Selwood and Hawkins!!

We also gave up a few 50m for 'delaying' when players asked who had the free. It took about 15 seconds. Is that delaying? I would say not? And, Oliver was pinned 50m for giving ball to teammate thinking he had the free. The umps need to not be so whistle happy when it isn't clear who has the free, or the infringement wasn't in line of sight of the player collecting the ball. Or stand next to and point to the player who has the free. Perhaps, it is best to let opps players collect the ball themselves. That is what some other teams do. As an aside, I wonder how many 50m the whingeing cats give up. Good chance by the time they play their game the umps put the whistle away for 50m...

In my defence, I didn't attribute the 'no longer at the club' to Pert. And you are quite right Pert didn't use those words nor directly answer the question. I took Pert's response (to the question 'that the person is no longer at the club' @ 7.10 minute mark) along the lines of it is ...something that we dealt with...its not reflective of events in recent times...he has never seen the organisation as aligned as it is now... (my abbreviating and paraphrasing) as an indication the answer was: that person(s) is/are in the past. But sure, I can see how Pert's comments could be interpreted differently.

Confidential board documents + No longer at the club = B-----tt At least he waited until last season was over and we won the cup before spilling the beans. Could have seriously set us back years or even a decade if he had done it during 2021 and possibly we lost our coach. Small mercies.

Certainly have. 2022 thread is here and it is pinned near the top of this forum. Edit: not sure why the lines appear in black above but fully legible in the thread itself.

It all depends on one's perspective. I thought about 90% of comments are fair, especially those made after an hour the game finished

Our premiership backline would have struggled given that we lost clearances 26 : 49 (even though we won the hit outs). They beat us at our own game: quick breaks from centre bounces or spread with overlapping run. In future I hope Gus goes back to the wing. We really missed his defensive work when Carlton were going forward. We may need to manage our young players who have only a couple of preseasons. Most had their first full year of games playing 20-25 games in 2021 and backing up on a shortish preseason with relatively 'unhardened' AFL bodies will take its toll, especially later in the season.

Try this: Loyal-melbourne-members-to-be-featured-on-historic-flag Scroll down and click on 'Download' then zoom in and scroll around. It was a real thrill to find my name. I unexpectedly choked up.

Salem will probably only miss this one game. I would tip Bowey to play Salem's role and Hunt🙂🙃 to get his job back.

Agreed on the future and strategic planning. I said similar in my post earlier in this thread albeit it was planning around funding, use and sponsorship of our new facilities. I guess by the last sentence you mean Casey and surrounds. Yes, I would also like to see us develop that market as well. We have a red and blue presence through the VFL/W and AFLW and it is our training ground for at least this year. If we don't make the most of that presence other clubs will move in. Its a short hop for the Hawks in Dingley, Saints in Bayside etc. I'll give the club the benefit of the doubt and say that covid restrictions have made this difficult for the last few years but yeah I would like to see a plan on how we develop this area and make it a heartland. The club did a fantastic job of harnessing support in Perth with giveaways, a demon van and lots of other stuff so we have the know how. Would love to see them make a long term commitment to a campaign there. Sadly, I fear they won't and that it may go the way of the Bentleigh Club. Up until 8 years ago it was a welcoming place to watch the footy with other dedicated dees fans. After a while it became an insufferable experience.

Cerra or Walsh? Laughable. That poster should look at this: or this http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2015/08/01/1227466/193257-0fed81ee-3823-11e5-9c70-bb8d701e73e2.jpg or this http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-05-2015/KQptw2.gif or this http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/657e21f9766e3a695b485170cb911cb3?width=650 or this http://i.imgur.com/kUIOtfd.gif Dammit, that poster can read the whole 'Jack made them cry' thread. Jack takes on some of the biggest and toughest players in the game. Cerra and Walsh have talent but have yet to show an ounce of aggro. Jack will eat them for breakfast!! Edit: Sorry about the gif links. Pics copied from the Jack thread but for some reason they appear as links instead. Oh well, you all know how the story goes

What you know is yours to keep. No problem. I think we all want our club to capitalise on opportunities. Genuine question: what things would you like done?

Football staff don't usually attend the AGM do they? Did any of them participate in the AGM last night?

Thanks. Not being a zoom user I wasn't aware it was of its capabilities. Nonetheless, given that the recent fan Forum was neither zoom nor live with members it does leave one wondering about level of member involvement or access to the senior parts of our club.