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They started going downhill when in 2020 when some players treated the Qld hub resorts like holidays but that didn't stop them whinging about being there. Then they were bundled out of the finals very easily and it has all looked to hard them since. As always, down hill skiers!!

That was for FA's where a club can get a better deal trading them out a year early than getting a lesser AFL compensation pick when an FA.

Thanks for reply. Cornes has been pushing the Port barrow for a while. I wonder if a reference to 'not signing a contract this year' is a bit of embellishment to spice up trade week. Those guys on trade radio are not covering themselves with glory this week let alone credibility. If there was some truth to it I would think it would have been out there by now and other clubs would join the hunt.

Seriously? That has certainly gone under the radar! Something you've heard or read about his contract?

If the AFL used the 'bringing the game into disrepute' rule a club wouldn't need 'behavioral' clauses. It is another example football clubs' and the AFL's 'optics' management and inaction on social behaviour breaches coming home to roost.

Not necessarily. A ruthless approach to list management would be to trade out a couple from our starting 22. Don't blame them if there is little chance of getting into the starting 22. If they can get more chances and better deals elsewhere good on them.

He has shown good VFL form in the ruck and can kick goals. While we all know his weaknesses he needs a fresh start and I really hope he finds one with more senior game opportunities than we can offer him.

Brenton Sanderson seems a loose canon. His latest conjuring trick: "... believes a player like Cam Rayner, the 2017 number one draft pick, could get caught up in all the trade chaos – given Brisbane need draft points to match a potential rival bid for Ashcroft". I didn't hear the trade radio session but going on the media report, he had no basis whatsoever, not even an 'I've heard ..." or "hypothetically' but throws a kids name out there. I get the need for click bait and something to talk about this week but imv it is unfair on the player and family to indulge in such fabrications.

If It wasn't clear I 100% understand their reticence and share their doubts about the AFL it having failed them many many times but you are missing my point about a way to get to a resolution. Anyway, I've posted the information that has come up today. People can interpret it how they wish but just note the last thing I'm doing is defending the AFL and the quoted post makes it look like I do. I don't.

Serious question: who would qualify for the panel with those criteria?

It is understandable the indigenous families feel the Adelaide camp is a good example of the 'system' having failed them. Not only did the AFL Integrity Unit find nothing to see, Work Safe SA also gave the all clear. As I mentioned it is hard to see how the AFL will even get to first base to set up a panel.

The more serious concern in terms of trying to get a resolution is that the indigenous families don't wish to testify or for the issues to go into the legal system (according to John Ralph). Without them telling their stories to a representative body Clarkson, Burt and Fagan will forever stay accused and don't get the opportunity to put their case.

Beveridge and Toomey saying Ess not interested and Toby will either go to GWS or stay at the Dees.

Just to add more layers of complexity. According to John Ralph first-nations-families-reservations-to-give-testimonies “It’s become a political minefield, and my strong understanding is there are deep reservations about – what now are five First Nations families – in terms of them actually testifying. It would be a disaster if they didn’t testify, because we’d never get a resolution on this. “Those families believe they’ve already told Phil Egan their story, they’ve already told Russell Jackson about it. They haven’t got confidence the AFL can work through this, because of the Eddie Betts saga and some of the allegations there that were never really followed through.” “They (the families) don’t want it to go to the legal system, but that independent panel, they want it to be truly independent. They feel like they’ve had 30 years of racism issues and people not being censored for racist comments. Meanwhile Fagan has confirmed his categorical denial of accusations and “I also confirm my intention to participate fully in any investigative process, provided that it is independent, fair and impartial, and respects my right to be heard". chris-fagan-statement The latter part looks like a recent addition to his prior statement. Maybe he has read the John Ralph report. It looks like both parties have reservations about the 'independence' and 'fairness' of the panel process. Good luck to the AFL putting together a panel that satisfies all parties. This may take forever just to get to first base.

The football media led by The Age is reporting two years to 2024. BUT The following show his contract is to 2023: AFL Press Release at the time he transferred from GWS. Footywire which is usually accurate. The Contracts thread prepared by yours truly is almost never wrong 😉 However, if anyone can find something more reliable than the football media great but until then its best to stick with one year to the end of 2023. I reckon one media person has said to 2024 and they have all jumped on the bandwagon!

Thanks. This is the most realistic scenario i've seen.

iirc some Coll sponsors were pretty upset with De Goey's NY and Bali antics. I wonder what their thoughts are on making the behavioural clauses less restrictive. Along with the 'do better' report and Eddie's antics a few years ago their sponsors have really been tested.

Scott has put his hat in the ring. If some reports are to be believed it is his for the taking. According to the Age one of the other applicants Lade has moved to the Bulldogs. brad-scott-shows-interest-in-bombers-coaching-job Looks like Yze and Scott are the only ones left standing.

I think it depends on the commentator. @KLVreported that Sanderson said a good 1st round pick and maybe more. They are just like the usual ex football jocks; just guessing and making up stuff to fill in air time.

It feels like that sometimes.

The Age is reporting De Goey has refused Collingwood's behavioural clauses in the proposed contract. Gutsy move.

Interesting from The Age: "Collingwood do not have to trade Grundy out to make salary cap room for the players they have targeted this trade period in McStay, Bobby Hill from the Giants and Billy Frampton from Adelaide. The option of trading Grundy is about creating salary cap space for other potential moves such as Tom Mitchell from Hawthorn. Mitchell would only be an option if Grundy left Collingwood. Hawthorn would be prepared to pay a significant portion of Mitchell’s salary and would not require a significant draft pick in exchange". Mitchell is the same age as Grundy and probably on similar dollars with less years on the contract and is a Brownlow medalist, 2 X AA, 3 X BF, MVP but will not attract a significant draft pick. So why is everyone , in partitcular the media talking a good 1st round pick + for Grundy!!!!!!!!

I wonder if Hawthorn gave the 3 accused a 'heads up' on what was in the report when they received it. I'm sure they would have if they still worked there. It still may not have prepared them for the content of the ABC article which had new claims in it.

They already have: seven-renews-push-for-night-grand-final-after-ratings-slump-for-one-sided-decider I don't mind a twilight game.

All the more reason why we need to change. I mentioned elsewhere 'they have become us' terms of game style and ball movement. Byrnes also had intel on our fitness and loading programs under the master Darren Burgess. Scott mentioned during the bye they were doing 'loading' differently this year and I couldn't help thinking that was in part due to Byrne's input.