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Thanks for the info and clarifying what happened. I take great comfort from the work we are doing in Alice, with Naarm and the way we supported Kozzie when his mum passed away. And as our AFLW captain Daisy Pearce has shown great leadership and grit 'taking on' the AFL recently. I just hope that if we have any skeletons the club has found them and taken action to heal any wounds, if needed.

AFL article on demon players: MELBOURNE'S Jayden Hunt faces an uncertain future with the free agent remaining unsigned for next year. Hunt is an unrestricted free agent and played 20 games for the Demons this season, including their two finals. He also played 20 games in 2021 and was unlucky to miss out on the club's premiership win last year after injuring his ankle late in Melbourne's campaign. He is without a contract for 2023. West Coast has a level of interest in Hunt and given his free agency status he could leave and join any club without a trade being enacted. The 27-year-old's speed, run and carry is his weapon and he was instrumental in the Demons' round 22 win over Carlton with a season-high 19 disposals and several key moments late in the game. Melbourne pair Jake Melksham, who played in Casey Demons' VFL premiership win last Sunday, and Michael Hibberd are out of contract but likely to win extensions. Adam Tomlinson could be looked at by clubs as a ready-to-go backman given he has dropped down the pecking order of defenders at the Demons, with the key defender conveyer belt in swing among clubs looking to bolster their stocks. Tomlinson would likely be open to a move if an opportunity arose but he has two years to go on his deal at Melbourne, having joined the club as a free agent at the end of 2019. – Callum Twomey

And I thought we were kindred spirits! 😉

I'm not sure in what context you are calling the two gentlemen but if I recall correctly they are twin brothers which btw is totally irrelevant to anything and everything. Apologies to them if that is incorrect... I've always been fond of @ding's cat avatar and it always makes me smile. Yes also totally irrelevant to anything and everything. Sorry for the diversion, folks. I just needed to add something light hearted to this very sad thread.

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By whom? Unlikely to be the HFC staff involved. And the affected players were new draftees and probably too scared to say anything to Burgoyne or other player leaders. If anything it was Burgoyne's job to stay close to those players and unearth concerns when they happen. That is what leaders do, anywhere and everywhere regardless of who what or where.

I wonder what skeletons are in our closet in our treatment of indigenous players? Didn't Davey, Wanaemirri, Jurrah (and maybe othres) have issues with Neeld? Wanaemirri didn't come back after 2011 and Jurrah lost his way. Their departures may not in any way be connected to Neeld but there was some noise about his treatment of them at the time. It leaked to the media and Davey had to publicly saw all was fine, nothing to see. While we had the wonderful Jetta he was not the leader he was to become so his position at the time denied him a voice within the club that he later developed under Roos.

If it came form SEN it was probably some delusional fan calling in to propose his/her wish list. And the reddit posters have run off with it. Its a salary dump. They will be lucky we aren't Essendon but will be prepared to give fair value to get a deal done.

Agreed. While what is reported are 'allegations' it is not as if someone has run off whinging to the media. The report would have been prepared by credible people and cleared by lawyers at various levels as would the reporting at the ABC. The AFL are using the term 'allegations' of 'historical' events, a term often relating to events of 30+ years ago. These were in the last decade or so. Nothing 'historical' about them. While Hawthorn can say the key people are no longer at the club and things have changed to try and cover itself, which doesn't wash, that script isn't available to the AF given it involves two of its senior coaches.

I'm really struggling with this. That Clarkson and Fagan, men who are husbands and fathers would even contemplate such inhuman behaviours is rephrensible on so many levels: moral, abuse of power, racism. It is right up there with the Ess drug saga. Perhaps even worse in that it was deliberate, selective to one racial group and extended to controlling partners and family decisions that affect them for the rest of their lives. It certainly puts a moral stain on Clarkson's 4 premierships.

I believe you are correct.

Very, very sad. Viney left in 2008 and Yze started in 2014. Not sure we should even vaugely link them or others to these horrible events.

Even if half of that is true they should never use 'The Family Club' moniker again.

I wonder what is best for Tomlinson? At mfc he is competing with Hibbered, Smith and Turner for a spot. He can see they have been preferred ahead of him. So a long year playing VFL awaits him. If he goes now he is 29 and could convert a one year contract @ $500k to a 3 year contract at $350K. Next year he will 30 and OOC. So he may figure it is best to be traded this year. I note that a poster said that he is preparing for life after football so he may be happy to just see out his mfc contract.

Just to clarify. I believe the rule is to use at least 3 picks at the National Draft. However, that includes using a late pick to upgrade a rookie as we will this year for Chandler. That could be our pick 86. Clubs can delist as many as they want and 6-10 is not uncommon. I suspect there are more changes to come.

AFL reporting Meek's preferred club is Hawthorn. Freo saying they want to keep him as he is under contract. Normally I would think that is posturing but they are about to lose 3-5 tall players so I can see they would want to keep him.

@Demonland I just noticed that another Delistings related thread was opened a few hours ago on the Trade Board. While technically it is about Delistings and targets generally it has defaulted to discussing mfc delistings/changes somewhat duplicating this thread.. We also have a Changes thread on the Trade Board. Can there be some merging of threads. please? If this thread remains maybe it is moved to the Trade Board...

Updated for Rosman's delisting and M.Brown's retirement. Shame for Rosman. Delighted Mitch went out on a Premiership high. Edit: Tomlinson is contracted to 2024. I will fix info in next version

On Tomlinson. He joined us at a reported $500k p.a. That is an expensive player to have running round at Casey. I would say the club will take a 3rd or 4th round pick to move the $ out. Its would be a mini 'salary dump'. He came to us as an FA so owes us nothing in terms of draft picks. As I've mentioned in several other threads, Taylor doesn't use draft picks other than first and second round so if we get a 3rd or 4th round pick, I'm confident we will convert it to something better.

He recovered from his knee injuries. Salem's ongoing issue is o.p. which he played with last year and this year. Its a difficult one to fix. Joel Smith missed a whole year. Just look at what happened to Taylor Adams when he stretched too far a few weeks ago.

Ess is the front runner and they have picks: 4, 22, 40, 58, 76. Can't see it being 22 more likely 40. Hopefully, Diodoro doesn't offer something stupid like 58 and slows down getting the deal done.

I've put your question here rather than in the 'Salary Dump' thread. To me he is like ANB; plays a very valuable role but if we trade either we don't have someone of their size at Casey to step in. Most of those looking for selection are a fair bit shorter That isn't to say they can't do the roles but we can't have to many shortish players in the fwd line. I would rather shop ANB around, again.

I believe Geelong and GWS were keen but Grundy will nominate only mfc. And we are honest brokers. Nonetheless, I think it could be a complex trade, especially now that the AFL is allowing defacto 'salary dump for pick trades'. This new ruling could have shifted the goal posts a little. Too many permutations to speculate on. But who knows, if Coll get some juicy picks from GCS (my speculation only) they might pass some on to us as part of the Grundy trade.

Thanks. That makes a difference. Lots of clubs in the running then.

clubs-allowed-to-salary-dump-in-a-major-change-to-afl-trade-rules An interesting twist: "Gold Coast has midfielder Brayden Fiorini on a significant contract next year, but he has been squeezed out of the Suns’ young and talented midfield. He has had discussions with several clubs, including Collingwood, about a move and could be available in exchange for an insignificant draft pick, provided the recipient club takes over his contract". GCS have picks: 7, 25, 31, 34, 43, 52, 67, 70, 79 and will probably get #5 from Adelaide for Rankine. So lots of 2nd and 3rd round picks GCS are unlikely to use. Fiorini is said to be on $600k for 2023. It is conceivable Coll take all of his contract and pick up a few good 2nd round picks and give back a late nothing pick which GCS won't use. It would be a salary dump dressed up as a trade. Coll could fit him into their sal cap with a 3 year contract @ average $350 a year and timing it to suit player retirements