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Hawks have put their hat in the ring. So four clubs with interest: GWS, Eagles and Demons. That Meek has requested a trade suggests he isn't coming. If he was he would know he is part of the Jackson trade. We may have lost interest or perhaps he is testing the market before committing to us. Reckon he would fancy his chances of a regular 22 spot at the Hawks more than with us. Ditto at WCE and he is a West Australian. Given all that I doubt he is coming to mfc. Edit: Just read this on foxfooty: “GWS is the most likely, but Gold Coast, North Melbourne, Richmond, St Kilda and Geelong are all showing interest in Meek".

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I guess we will get what the club the player has chosen will agree to. I don't mind if a player is traded for a 3rd draft pick; 4th round is a bit of a stretch. In another thread I noted that for the last 3 years Taylor has used only picks in the1st and 2nd rounds. So to me it looks a policy, a smart one at that as the talent gets pretty thin after pick #35. Essentially, any 3rd or 4th round picks we have/get we package them up for a higher pick or trade them for future picks. So if for example, we get a 3rd round pick for a player and it helps us package that with another 3rd round pick for a second round pick I'm happy with that as we (theoretically) get a better quality player than the one we let go.

Gee, nice of you to ignore all the relevant information for post 2nd round selections in my post. Not! You are hanging your hat on rookie selections which by definition are temporary or to 'try out'. No-one expects many of them to become best 22 players but Chandler and Turner might Have a look at my post again and consider JT's policy of only keeping 1st and 2nd round picks. A smart strategy don't you think? If you can't see the strategy you are being disingenuous and wasting eveyone's time. I'm out!

I'll answer the question for you. Picks over #40 since 2017: 2017: Oska Baker (pick 48, 3rd round) - still on our list 2018: Aaron Nietschke (pick 53, 3rd round) - retired due to 3 ACL's 2018: Marty Hore (pick 56, 4th round) - played a valuable role in 2019 when we had a big injury list. Had an ACL injury and retired. 2018: Toby Bedfored (pick 75, 5th round) - still on our list and seemingly in demand by other clubs 2019: Zero selections. Highest pick #32: Trent Rivers. Premiership player 2020: Zero selections. Highest pick #35: Fraser Rosman, taken as a 'project player' and still on our list. 2021: Zero selections. Late pick used for Taj Woewodin taken as F/S - still on the list. I'm not sure what your definition of 'fail' is but I don't see any on that list. Look carefully and you will see that for the last 3 years JT has, I think deliberately, not used a pick over #35 preferring to trade later picks up or trade them out for future picks. I really don't know what you are on about criticising JT for his later round selections! Drafting from rounds 1 and 2 and cash in the rest looks a damn good policy to me.

Hunt was in the 50's somewhere. Re the bolded sentence, how many picks has Taylor used since 2017 over pick 40 and which ones have been a fail? For the purpose of the exercise leave out the preseason and mid year drafts as they are for Rookies which are generally for short term needs..

I hear what you say. This is about delistings. Trades are another topic and presumably are covered in the 'Changes' thread or in individual player threads. As @old55posted, potential trades will open opportunities for new players.

We have only two candidates for delisting: Baker and Rosman. Jackson is OOC and asked to be traded. The rest of the OOC players are reported to have been offered contracts and M.Brown reportedly will retire. So don't expect too much delisting news.

I agree with all that. But 'dumping salary' can be made to look like 'dumping players' very easily.

I suspect Turner is meant to be Taberner. Yeah, I suspect Freo were hoping for an end of 1st round pick for North to go through to them. The future picks North get are likely to be in the 19-22 and mid-late 30's. Freo would certainly have their eye on at last the first if not both. Not sure what it means for North's pick 1.

Sometimes it is a fine line. Last year GCS traded Brodie, a player they didn't want, couldn't get a game in the seniors to Freo and gave them the very valuable pick 19 and two later picks in the process for just a some future picks A very one-sided trade the AFL approved. The article is saying the AFL will approve more lop-sided trades this year. The AFL wants clubs to clear their tight sal caps. It would be very easy for clubs to 'dress up' a 'salary for picks' trade by including 'steak knives' in the deal. I just hope we are able to take advantage of this opening as our sal cap is said to be very tight.

I think it would be extremely unlikely to get a pick from them. They will expect and I think will get one from us. My comment was rather hypothetical as I doubt we have the sal cap to take all of Grundy's $ but it does open the door to hard bargaining if we choose to.

Not sure where to put this and its not really worth of a new thread revealed-north-s-draft-assistance-package Fairly minimal really. An extra 2nd and extra 3rd round, 2023 pick that must be used to trade this year for player(s). What that does is fill out their draft picks this year which are: 1, 55, 66, 73. And 2 extra rookie spots. It is pleasing the AFL didn't give them a bunch of first round/end of first round picks since most of their recent pain was pretty much self inflicted by decimating their own list and FD staff.

Looks like we are getting close to 'salary dumping' this year: salary-dumps-to-drive-key-deals "...clubs are anticipating the League will be more open to approving deals that allow clubs to complete lopsided trades in which the team that receives a player (and takes on his contract) also gains a strong draft selection or selections. The AFL is expected to be willing to allow more significant salary dumps so that clubs can clear their own tight caps whilst seeing other clubs use their spare cash and get rewarded for taking on a player's money and adding draft selections..." If I read this correctly, if we take all of Grundy's $ we should ask for a draft pick from Coll...🤔?

Freo were gone for all money at half time: 6.8.44 to 2.7.19. The we were overrun due to injuries, illness and some good tactics. It was the 'recency effect' in play by the umpires; they forgot the first half for which none of our players were rewarded.

The coaches votes differential were very similar to the (Brownlow). Oliver: 98 (25). Petracca: 89 (24). It looks to me the umpires voted it similarly to the coaches and not on 'styles'. When saying Petracca is 'pinching' votes it is saying he isn't worthy of those votes. To me that is talking him down.

We all want Oliver to win a Brownlow. But, I don't know why people need to talk down Petracca to praise Oliver...one could say Oliver is pinching votes from Petracca. Just saying.

Why the faceplam for my post. Finals don't count for the Brownlow.

That was in a final.

Technically, they should be able to re-time Grundy's $ to the years when other players retire entirely or retire into lower contracts. Of course the elephant in the room is how much they backended...

I can only assume it is a 'press glass in an emergency' play... ...18 games in 8 years says it all. Relying on Cox as their relief ruck/resting fwd is a risky play for mine. They must have someone in mind when he goes in a year or two to play with Cameron. Maybe Grundy will relent and take a pay cut...

So, you would prefer him to be a sore loser like Scott in last year's PF who used 'illness' as an excuse?

If they trade Oliver Henry as is likely it will save a few hundred K. Jordan Roughead will retire and that is another few hundred K. Next year they are free of the $300k they are paying Treloar Those three plus the many 'journeymen' out of contract this year if not renewed could easily add to about $1.0m altho' some will go to draftees/rookies. I doubt De Goey will get much more than he currently gets. It is also likely they will spread the incoming players $ to coincide with the retirement/salary reductions of Pendlebury, Howe, Cox, Sidebottom.

If it wasn't for his $ I'm sure they would. Like us they are not a very tall team. Those over 1.95m are ruckman Cameron, Cox (32 next year) the incoming Frampton who has played 18 games in 8 years and Moore. Their tallest forward will be Mcstay at 1.95. Next tallest backman is Howe (33 next year) at 1.9m It might suit their game plan to not be tall but in the next few years they will need to replace a few of their tallest players. As will mfc. They must have another plan for their tall player replacements otherwise giving up Grundy for $ seems rather risky.

In the next few days we should get the delistings and retirements. And maybe some trade requests. Players remaining OOC: Hibberd, Melksham: reported to have been offered a contract Hunt, Bedford: reported to have been offered an mfc contract and other clubs showing interest M. Brown (R): reported to be retiring Baker, Rosman: candidates for delisting That suggests a max of 5 changes on the list and 2-3 spots in our selected 22. More if contracted players are traded. We just have to make room for JVR, Turner, Chandler, Woewodin, Laurie and possibly Howes to break into the selected 22 at some stage next year. With the exception of Howes who spent a large part of the year injured, they all seem to have put on some bulk and will be stronger with another preseason.