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I think North are probably wanting to do the same and have more to offer?

Can someone do a summary of where that leaves us with number of uncontracted players yet to sign v spots on the list for draftees? Pretty please :)

If this is accurate, Mahoney / Taylor have something up their sleeve with the picks we have

As others have said, North probably want to do the same thing hence we don't want to give them the ability to trump us.

It's a good point - I think it will show where our priorities are re the trade / draft period. Deanox in another thread pointed out that if we're after the Doggies pick 14 and North are also after it, then we don't want to trade two 2nd round picks to North to allow them to have a better offer to the dogs - so might require a third party. However, if we are wanting a salary dump from TMac to bring in a best 22 player (Phillips? Treloar even?) then we won't be phased about giving the picks to North if they take TMac's salary.

Would love this to be the case but I think: Syd - no cap space. Aliir went to have enough space to bring Hickey in to ruck. But they are short in defence unless McCartin goes back. GWS still have a bunch of forwards (and defenders) that would be ahead of Tom. Carlton - Curnow hurts... but is TMac going to get a game ahead of McKay, Casboult, McGovern? Pies - they may have a need but how could they possibly get rid of Treloar (Phillips, Cox, Stephenson etc) largely due to salary cap issues and then take on a large salary from an underperforming / injury riddled TMac. Doesn't make sense. Still think Ess / North are our best chance as they should have salary cap space and may want some senior heads around... but neither seem keen.

Heard him on the radio yesterday - they were talking him up for bulldogs fans - i.e. a pressure forward who has pace, skills, x-factor who can take a grab and kick a goal - I was thinking when you put it like that, why are we letting him go! Always liked Hannan but not against the trade - clearly our forwardline and midfield need a shakeup!

I reckon there might be a chance Sydney will be interested in TMac if he is able to play in defence as Aliir looks to be heading to Port? The main problem for us is that Sydney have big salary cap problems so we're not going to get much relief from them.

Thanks P. So is it a matter of the Dogs trading 14 for something that with their current picks can get them to 2400? I.e. if they trade 14 to us, we give them 26 (729), 31 (606), 43 (378), 68 (59) which along with picks 41 (412) and 54 (220) gets them to 2,404?

Think it's unlikely that we will hold onto and use the picks we've got (26, 31, 33, 43, 50) to draft kids. Surely we'll try to get back in to the first round or use it to bring in players to improve our best 22. But part of me would love to see what Jason Taylor and co could do if we did. Yes I know it's not possible due to list sizes and the draft is compromised... but this is the sort of year that some of the best players might not be picked until the 2nd / 3rd round. Out of interest, anyone know which small forward are rated highly in this draft. From memory, we went hard for Kozzie last year as there weren't many on our radar for next year. I know Maurice Rioli Jnr looks very exciting - but I imagine he's tied to richmond as a FS. Any others out there we might be interested in to help Kozzie?

Disagree. There's not many quality ruckmen around. We would keep him but he only plays when Gawn is injured which is a waste. The Giants will have plenty of picks after the cameron trade but won't be able o draft in a ready made ruck which is what they need.

Don't disagree with anything that has been said - but prior to the trade period I remember some saying having a few picks in the 20s/30s isn't such a terrible thing in a compromised year - there will be a few diamonds in the rough. Having said that, I think we are looking to trade up the order to get the player we want or use the picks to fill the positions that need to be filled (wing, small forward, backup ruck etc)

Other than salary, what would the club that gets Treloar have to give up?

26 & 33 & Tmac for Bown and Polec? I assume the Polec and Tmac salaries kinda cancel each other out. I think Polec would be great for our needs but for whatever reason we don't seem interested.

Surely not - JM had previously said it wouldn't be a first rounder. Brown wants to come to us and there are no other clubs competing for his services.

Hope you're right... If I was a roos supporter I'd be wanting more

I feel this means we're unlikely to go after the Doggies first pick as surely Hannan would be part of that deal if it was happening?

Agree with what you have but this shows how much is falling to Kozzie - we definitely need some other pressure forwards in there. Also shows that Melksham's days might be numbered if he can't rediscover the form of 2018.

Looks very good in highlights. I wonder how Hunt's highlights would look in comparison when all put together? The player I was keen on that is slipping away is Witherton. Although less essentially than a small pressure forward, having Witherton in defence or the wing would definitely improve our best 22. Looks like the eagles are ready to land him. https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-trades-afl-2020-afl-trade-period-brisbane-alex-witherden-trade-talk-news-west-coast-eagles/news-story/9a54207b52081356166feeaa0cffcb31

But surely his manager would be telling him not to drop the salary for that very reason? Tom is a bright guy as far as footballers go so it's not like he won't have anything to do after footy - but the way he's played the last two years (largely due to injury) then he's not AFL standard so should be making the most of it as much as he can financially. I see other people say it's bad management to trade him after we've offered him the contract and that he's versatile and can play anywhere. If he is in 2017/2018 form and fitness he is worth every cent of the contract - the fact that we are looking to trade him suggests to me that they don't believe he can get back to those levels of fitness.

Not only directed at you but I don't understand why so many people don't rate Mahoney. Every year he does a heap with the hand he's dealt.

Pretty sure Kobe's draft year is 2021 - I think he's been playing colts this year in WAFL?

I think Weid and Brown can both play deep. One leads at the ball carrier and the other stays deep for the long option - makes it much harder for defenders to drop off to cover the main target. For me Tmac was too much of a liability in defence. People forget that prior to him going forward in 2017, many on here wanted him traded as they'd had enough. TMac could beat his man one on one and intercept but regularly tried to pull off the low percentage kick into the centre out of defence (that you usually only trust the likes of Salem to execute) and he also had a habbit of playing on after a mark / free kick and getting caught or pressured and turning it over. When he went forward this disappeared as he could just kick straight at the goals. Maybe he's matured mentally and can "play a role" down back. But i think he's lost speed and agility and would be a liability back there. A big preseason, who knows? But for mine I'd have Hore / Tomlinson and potentially even Petty / Smith ahead of him to support May and Lever down back.

thought the bombers were interested - esp after losing Daniher. They have room to pay his salary too!

clearly we're keen but don't want to telegraph it and pay overs.