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@Macca, just noticed that Chuck Loeb passed away recently... A bit of a shock really, was looking for something else and a piece in memory came up...

Yes, he would be more than handy. Understatement... I can't see Frost being in the future plans apart from being a depth player or maybe trade value. O-Mac does have some upside though.

According to the logic of some on here it should have been Selwood or Hawkins...

He polled 2 votes in his first AFL game...I think they see him and he gets votes.

Just a habit from when I started on the site 'Skuit'... Not all in the world in sinister or evil and I know many look for hidden meaning. Real name, unreal name or somewhere in between. In this case just accept it for what it is. My little foible,

A classic case of being an athlete, not a footballer.

800k will be about right for a quality KPD like Lever. He will stay or go, but money won't be the driver. It will be part of the story. If he goes I would think we are in a good position, he knows we wanted him at draft time and he knows we have a future. Interesting at draft time there was also talk of Lever being a tall mid...he did a bit of work with his TAC cup team working with the mids to round out his game as he missed the year with a knee. Also his kicking was supposed to be his weakness. Seems to have fixed that.

800k will be about right for a quality KPD like Lever. He will stay or go, but money won't be the driver. It will be part of the story. If he goes I would think we are in a good position, he knows we wanted him at draft time and he knows we have a future.

...a bit like Buddy.

As a thinker...I think 'martin' is pretty close to the mark on this. 'TGR', I don't think you have thought this through at all. You've only looked at things on a surface level...player you see as past his prime, 3 year contract. It's in the media's interest to ramp up a story, write off a champion, think they have all the answers. Their stories run on daily and weekly cycles. Thank goodness our FD don't run this way, they knew what they were getting. Yes, we signed Lewis to a 3 year deal but as Martin says it was good business. You've got to get past the 3 years, it's not the point here. My thoughts are that we were looking to get one good season to really help develop a young list and anything past that is a bonus. I would love to see Lewis have those games he did with the Hawks, usually when Hodge and Mitchell were out or struggling, where he picked up the slack, took the team on his back and led them to victory. Maybe those games are past him now or maybe he steps up this week.

Nup, made 2 disposal errors centring the ball early but apart from that held up well when our midfield were being smashed and the defence were under siege. It was a good 4 Q game from Oscar.

Not saying you are right or wrong 'ignition' but I wouldn't be using WAFL stats to back the argument 'ignition'...Viv Michie killed it at this level but couldn't step up.

If he doesn't pull his finger out I think we might opt to head him home 'Redleg'... ...looking like a poor mans Colin Silvia at the moment.

@ChaserJ or @Pennant St Dee are good observers of junior footy and 'Pennant' may know something about the WA side of things. My memory is he looked a pretty smart footballer and was another one from a basketball background...he seemed to have a bit of upside. ...but there must be a reason he slipped back.

Champion Data annoy the hell out of me when they try to predict using their data. Their expertise is in telling us what has happened by their numbers....

Pretty sure they said similar things about Tommy Mac last year. I take what these 2 say with a grain of salt...

My opinion is that we need another good ball user in the back half. Hibberd is the only elite user in that line up, Jetta not to bad, Frost & Tommy Mac poor the others a bit hit and miss. I'm also not convinced with the idea of Frost & Tommy holding up the key posts...

Trouble is opposition coaches don't rely on the media for their intel... With a $9.5 mill Football Department spend, opposition scouting and video analysis... They're well aware of what Oliver can do & have been since day one. No one slips under the radar.

Apart from the fact the David King is a goose of the highest order, I think people forget Oliver is a 2nd year player with only a handful of games under his belt. His performances are measured against the best talent in the comp not the best young talent and he's standing up pretty well.

Also on his opposite hand...for someone seen to be one sided with his handball he's a quick learner. Just another string to the bow.

I'm biased, one of my favourite players to watch in the AFL... Would be a great get...being under-utilised as a mid because they lack goal kickers. X-factor plus, right up with the best in my opinion.

I think we still need to be at the high end of the draft this year...we missed last years early crop and will have a few ageing mids (lewis, Vince & Jones) to replace over the coming years.

I also thought and still do think we need a kpd... Those 2 weren't the answer though 'steve', Brown in particular is a very poor kick. McKenzie is shot. We need someone who can use the ball as well as hold down the key post.

They already have...can't remember who but someone did it in the China game.

I'm not sure Kelly will ever be a game changer in the mould of an Ablett, Danger, Buddy or Selwood. He appears to me to be what he looked like in his junior years, a really neat footballer who goes about his business in a very professional manner. I don't see any of the so called 'x' factor...