Undeeterred

I wouldn't be sure enough to laugh at everyone. I think what you'll find, if you just think about it, that there is a considerable body of people here who just won't believe he is ready to play until he does. I'm one of them.

Please, please kill this.

Might just be the frequency of your posts in that tone...

Wow. Nice bump...

It's really simple. Yes, we had a bad midfield. But Magner wasn't in the long term planning, when those younger guys were. Why would we give him gave time when they would have planned to cut him a long way out?

I don't watch a lot of Casey, so to be honest haven't seen much of Hogan. However, those videos show a couple of really obvious things which will help from day 1: he uses his body really well, especially for an 18 year old. That first goal against North - he really pushed the defender out of the way he attacks the ball just like Clark does and you can't teach that. finally, he plays in front - a couple of those grabs were just great positioning and the defender couldn't get around his strong position. Really bodes well for next year.

Best selfie avatar on Demonland.

I give up.

Not sure if serious...

Kicked 6 from a forward pocket one day in the Year 9C's when my basketball team had a bye for the week. Glory days.

Jeepers, with this crowd coming out of contract next year, we could be taking another very long handle to the list next year... 2014 Frawley (RFA), Tapscott, McDonald, Blease, Strauss, Spencer, Bail, Dunn, Byrnes, Barry, Kent, Jones, Terlich I count at least 7 who would want to have pretty good years next year.

I agree that it won't happen, but you do realise that in fact we would be honouring contracts by paying the player their full wage (same as we did with Neeld) that they can then go and earn on top of at some other club? If my boss paid me next year's wage and booted me, I'd be stoked.

Actually I'm just a magistrate groupie.

Trying to salvage anything from the disaster it seems...

Stalin and Chairman Mao come to mind, just off the top of my head...

Would be great if you blokes could stop clogging up the trade news thread with posts about how you deleted other posts. Just sayin.

Is that wall in the background the Melbourne Magistrates Court?

Come on, Ron. Do yourself and all of us a favour and teach yourself a new skill!

Just want to say it once more to get it out of my system. K-N-O-B.

There is no way in a million years Pedersen will be delisted this year. Jetta first, Magner second, Nicho third in my book, subject to contracted players 'bailing'.

Bit of a shame that K-N-O-B is a censored word here...

I'm one of those who has been a big fan and defender of his over the years and who is now feeling very silly as it becomes clearer and clearer that he is a total [censored].

Sorry to go 4 pages back, but, um, that is complete bull[censored]

See, I reckon he would. Kennedy gives us immediate credentials, Howe is not really the type of player Roos likes, and pick 9 may or may not tip the balance. I think certain star power over uncertainty is a great short and long term tradeoff, as we're talking 5 years here. Well within the period that Roos either walks away having successfully turned the club around, or not. He'd take him in a second.

LOL to those who wouldn't trade Howe and 9 for Kennedy. Sorry, but I don't care how much potential Howe has. He is arguably surplus to requirements anyway, with Hogan, Clark, Dawes and even Watts able to take a strong mark up forward. He isn't a crumbing forward, isn't a mid and therefore his only real development space is out on the wings or on a flank. I'll concede he is definitely a great target for someone like Toumpas coming uot of half back, but equally, Clark and Dawes could probably be that target. So, do we want a potential floating wing/HFF or one of the best players, let alone best mids, in the competition? And yes, you can land a star with pick 9, but you might not. You could also just trade for someone who is a star now, who you might 'only' get 5 years from, instead of 10. Every. Day. Of. The. Week.