Undeeterred

Sorry, hold on a tick. Did you just compare him to Sellar? Seriously? And have you not noticed that Buddy's fill in is Roughead? And I'd hardly say Drew Petrie has been plucked out of nowhere, even if you were to suggest that one of our non-Clark spuds is equal to him. I don't say this very often, but if that's what you mean, you have absolutely zero credibility from here on in.

Ahh excellent. Thanks.

I think that last graphic was rpfc's 'wishlist', wasn't it? Or am I missing something. The one above that (which wasn't updated for Blease yet) is the current picture.

Think people are going around in circles on this. 1. There are no decent FA midfielders. There is a big b@rstad CHF available, though. 2. We are going to choose about 1000 midfielders in the upcoming draft. 3. While those midfielders develop, we have nobody at whom to throw a substantial portion of our salary cap. 4. Why not throw it at Cloke, front-ended, and keep him until the midfielders we drafted in 2012 become truckloads of $$$, at which point we will be paying Cloke next to nothing? 5. It would sure help those youngies develop if they have Cloke and Clark to kick it to, rather than Clark and Petterd, or Bate, or some other spud.

I am seeing more and more signs that the 'poor development' thing might be a thing of the past. We are turning more players like Sellar into serviceable, 7-8 year career type players, I reckon. This year, the improvement shown by Blease, Jones, Howe, Tom McDonald and a few others gives me hope that we are on the right track in terms of getting the most out of players. Even Sylvia looks a bit more like he has got the message. When you really boil it down, the only ones who have gone significantly backwards are some of the oldies like Moloney.

No, he'd turn out to be someone for Watts to kick it at from half back, who isn't Mitch Clark.

That's ok - he'd probably fit in really well over here because we'd all be nice to him and yell out 'good show Travis' at him a lot. Maybe he doesn't kick straight over there because he's just scared of being bashed by them in the carpark after the game.

Gold. Enjoy 6 years in Breakfast Point, Tommy Boy! Thank f.... is right. We convinced the right one, in my book.

Brilliant news. A key part of the plan, and a further clear sign that the players who we need are buying in as Greeny wants them to.

Just because people on Demonland want him to play, doesn't make him ready, or even competent.

When I saw the title, I thought maybe Neeld had wandered down to Casey and let him have it there too...

Yes, we do. So, for now, he is a keeper. Hop on the reality bus!

Um, yes it is. If you cut everybody who wasn't up to it in one hit, we'd have 15 players on the list. Why can't people see this is a 2-3 year process? Dunn will probably go in the next 2 years. However, I wouldn't say he is in the first 10 out the door. Ergo, he stays. I think he's improving and is much better off the backline. Give him a job and a focus and I think he's much better, rather than playing him in the forward line where he has to make the play.

Frightengly, now that Carlton is tearing Essendon a new one, they look pretty good to make the 8. If they beat St Kilda it round 23, it will be down to percentage between them and Freo. So, it might depend on how hard Freo spank us as to whether Carlton make finals...

I'd rather eat horse manure than barrack for Carlton. Seriously.

Settle down - the guy has 6 posts. If it is some muppet that has been here for years go for it, but cut people a bit of slack.

Poor old BarnDee just found the first time in Demonland history where a poster has potted a player... BarnDee, just for you own sanity, I wouldn't open too many other threads mate.

I don't think anybody is suggesting it was the players...

To be honest, just because Cam Schwab says something doesn't make it true. Feel for the guy, but I just can't see Jurrah coming back. No matter how we try to spin this as Liam going back to be with his family, given the season was 'over', he left without telling anybody, and presumably was right to play for Casey for the next few weeks until the end of the season. That doesn't sound good, in my book. Good luck getting it together Liam!

Presumably you don't have a straight face. Because, just quietly, it would be complete lunacy to advocate with a straight face that the board sack Neeld three weeks out before the end of the season, when we are about to head into trade and draft mode. Will just repeat for everyone: lunacy.

Bye, bye, Ricky Bobby. Shame.

And Richmond, on the 'G.

True - I didn't think too hard beyond those named. Honestly though, if we are comparing, I'd probably take Cloke over Fitzpatrick, Cook and Williams combined.

Tell me that's not Jako doing a sit up... A photo showing that would be as rare as hen's teeth.

I think we've established that, despite the awesomeness that is Mitch Clark, you need more than one key forward target to get anywhere near success. Of our current options that you mention: Watts is best down back. Jurrah is a good chance of not playing again. Ricky Bobby is going to GC. Garland has proven he is a defender. Howe will be a mid. Sylvia is a running flanker. Trengove can't kick a goal from 40 out. Jamar can't kick at all. You are left with Martin, Rivers, Sellar, Bate and Dunn as your key forward options. Yes, we need Cloke.