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You don't retire the number 2. Troy's number 20 was put away for a few years which I was happy with.

I will probably be in the minority here, but I'm not sold on Jackson becoming the number 1 ruck post Gawn. He is such a versatile weapon as 2nd string. He was clunking his marks up forward with more confidence in a few games late in the season. I'm hoping he stays as a utility and we develop/trade another number 1 ruck for when Gawny finally steps down with his 5 premierships.

Roos was given a bunch of highlights from Jason Taylor in the lead up to the draft. Roos watched the Oliver highlights and didn't bother watching the rest. He went back to Jason Taylor and said "He is the one. If there is anyone better than that then pick them" I've heard that story before, but recently heard it again on a podcast that Real Footy (the age) put out prior to the Grand Final which had an episode focusing on Oliver. Worth a listen.

The cliff is referred to a few times in this thread and with good reason. They will try again next year. No matter the level of their success, they will have no choice but to rebuild at the end of 2022. How are they going to do it? Each year any club will have a few young players who haven't made the grade and need to be cut. You simply know they won't make it. Combine this with the list BoBo provided in the quoted post and you have a serious problem. They won't me able to shed that many players that quickly otherwise they will be topping up with NQR delisted players from other clubs or delving into the deepest parts of the draft. It will take 3 to 4 years. It will then take the players they have drafted at least 4 more to be a force. They are in for a world of pain. Free agency may be their only savior.

Even if other clubs do they same thing we win. At some point (possibly the next few years) we will get to the point that we will avoid the draft. Hopefully other teams adopt out strategies and are eager to give up future firsts. We oblige them and reverse the formula. We take 2 first rounders but delay it a year. Hopefully we have got a few more flags to our name by this point. We may be able to top up with free agents or trade 2nd round picks for role players during the years we forgo a first rounder.

Full respect. My only hope that day was radio and even that let me down due to reception issues. I missed the entire thing. The outpouring of grief and embarrassment of what had happened to this club on this forum was enough for me. I realised that I had dodged a shocking memory that I would have hated to have.

ANBs form in 2019 was truly horrific and I'm not going to apologise for thinking that he was done. Even the club asked him to look elsewhere (and there were no options). Some of those fumbles are still etched into my brain. However, I will 100% praise him for how he has turned it around. Truly incredible. More so than Tmac in my opinion as you could see Tmac was struggling to get right from injuries.

Round 19. We had 7 wins a draw and 9 loses (2 byes that year) at this point. We were tracking pretty well considering the year's we had just had. I was travelling that day and knew I would miss most of the game due to loss of radio signal. I listened to pre game commentary on ABC radio praising us for seemingly being on the right course. Our rebuild was tracking well. I lost reception. I tuned in later on thinking I might catch the last minutes of the game. All I heard was Gerald Whately saying "Geelong has beaten the Demons by 186 points and there is only one question. Will they sack the coach now or later in the week" I was gobsmacked. I avoided all replays and my only other recollections are the picture of the scoreboard that pops up now and then and a memory that some Demonlanders said that Jordie McKenzie 'tried hard' as the only positive.

If another club bids on him using pick 1-20 then we are not allowed to match the bid. He will go to that club. We won't have a say in it at all.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him line up in the best 22 in the early rounds. We will be starting preseason much later than the other teams. Viney and Oliver are always carrying niggles. Hopefully this allows them a proper break as well as a proper length preseason before playing. That might mean they came back a few rounds in.

Tim Lamb: "Hey Jase, pick 17 this year or our first round pick next year?" Jason Taylor: "17" Tim Lamb: "Done" All I need to know.

Gotta say.. I'm surprised. I've always liked him, but we have a heap of players who are forced out of their natural position because we are stacked for his type. I have mentioned a few times that we have no one as an inside mid for Casey anymore. I'm really surprised he chose us over other clubs which would have given him more games in the seniors.Maybe we were the only Vic club on offer and he didn't want to move. Regardless. Welcome Luke!

What? No. Can't see the logic here at all.

The rules have changed regarding the NGA players. If another club bids on Mac Andrew in the first 20 picks we are unable to match the bid. Speculation is that he will be a top 10 pick. So it won't matter if we have points to match or not.

He would have been over 200 and probably 100 for the club if not for the year off due to the drugs saga.

Is VDB contracted? Both are free to a good home. Best we could hope for would be a swap of third or fourth round picks.

It's the size that gets me. I was all for getting this kid on the cheap. If he really does go in the top 10 picks then would we really want to match it anyway (if the old rules permitted)?

Ohhh.. flashbacks... I still get angry about Mark Thompson's comments after that incident. I'm sure that would be water under the bridge for the players now though.

Yep. Perfect time for us to pick up some tall prospects with later picks. We could use them too. A ruck and a KPF. Taj Woewodin has come at a good time for us too as a versatile midfielder type. Casey are going to be light on for inside midfielders too. Wouldn't be surprised if we picked one up.

I live in Hobart. I hope we don't play down here as we never play well. Interestingly, when Tas started selling home games to Hawthorn many years ago, they worked out that the community easily made the money back due to the supporters travelling down and making a week of it. I don't know if it dropped off over the years.

Is there precident for this occurring before?

A decade of rebuilding has meant that I'm programmed to check this forum every day for news at this time of year. We all know that we are going to do sweet f&$# all this year but are all still here. I hate being a creature of habit.

Yes. I seem to recall Tom Harley commentating a game and saying it felt like "The end of an era" about 10 years ago. These bastards have simply kept on going strong.They have been on top the whole time we have been on the bottom. There is a reason why we are luxuriating in their imminent demise: Pure Jealousy. They have really backed themselves into a corner now though. The way their list has evolved, they have had no real choice but to top up with older support players to give their superstar list a few more chances of getting a flag. The last two years have been their best shot at the premiership and they came so close to justify the list strategy They could freshen up their game plan and give it a shake again next year but they have limited good young players coming through. Like the Dwarfs of Moria, they have delved too greedily and too deep. I hope their rebuild is long, slow and hard.

Great point. I knew they got some steak knives back but didnt realise it was two 2nd round picks. They could use a couple to move up the order which may make the deal a bit more favourable. Cameron will be wasted in a rebuilding side. They have so many older players that will already showing the kids how to train etc. They will be delisting/retiring 3 or 4 a year for 4 years 2022 - 2026 unless some star players are tapped on the shoulder earlier than needed. They wont be able to rebuild quick enough to challenge again with Cameron. I'm not writting the cats off in 2022, but their chances are less than 2021 and its 2022 or bust. If they lose games early then they are in real trouble.

Future third round pick at best. More likely that there is no interest at all.