Demon Dynasty

Yeh. I heard that. Was good too. I was more referring to the K.B. session. Maybe i should remove the "all morning" bit lol. But thanks 16. Appreciate the feedback

Such short term week by week thinking is dangerous. Players, and eventually the coach/coaching staff will start planning/playing for survival. Then it ceases to become a team effort. It's every man for himself. Personally i believe the culture of excepting mediocrity has now changed across the Club collectively (ie., supporters, players/FD/coach and board) and we have finally (i hope) drawn a line in the sand. As Bailey said yesterday, we've set a new benchmark and we need to aim for it every week from here. Not saying we wont see any further lows/and unpalatable defeats. But i doubt we'll see capitulations like last Thurs or 2nd half Dawks game. The level of intensity, attack and application over 4 quarters that everyone expects, needs to be 1st class from here. We should have a better understanding of where the boys are at by round 11/12. Stick tight demonoids. Looking forward to forking (that's "pitch" forking Mods!) some Roo arse on a big fiery pit of hell this week!! Mighty Demons Forever! B)

Agreed. Put em either side of the Fev and tell em to "Watch and learn". As long as they're only learning what the Fev's doin ON the field and not off it!

Yep. Good point. I guess it depends on who's hosting/on the panel eh. Speaking of which, i thought Caro was gonna go for Gary's throat there at one point. Only thing that saved him was mother's day. Ok, this topic can be closed now.....MOD!!!

50 minutes of KB and Patrick on S.E.N. this morning and not even a mention of our game. Tigers/Bombers all morning. Wouldn't know there's any other teams that've played this weekend listening to this thing.

Did anyone hear interview with Bails BEFORE the match on 3AW yesterday? Was pretty impressive. Sounded like a premiership coach in the offing. Lets hope the boys and Bails can continue the intensity and effort on a weekly basis from here. The big tests will be how we go away (west of our border) and *^&^hed stadium (next few weeks). The Roos usually lift against us. Love rubbing our noses in it. Bout the only highlight ive seen there against em in last few years was Juice's screamer

Heyy..... someone mention my name? Ok...so he was a tad Rusty. Nuttin wrong with that first up is there!?

Lol Artie. Patronise me if you wish mate. I'm a big boy. But i'm standing by the point i made in my first reply, including the stats on average age and games played. Feel free to counter it if you want with anything of substance. I think others have made the point in other ways, eg., GCS's result against Port etc. As you said, it's only one point of your entire argument so not worth getting your knickers into a knot over it B)

Ummm....so your saying others on here are allowed to make a point about a "part" of someone else's post, but i aint? Please, feel free to delve further Artie. Happy to hear your drill down analytics on those stats mate. Cheers B)

What the.... I'm just making a point on one of Arties' points re young teams travelling. Certainly not expecting to go anywhere near a premiership or threatening for one on these numbers. Nor did i mention a premiership at any point. Not sure where you're coming from on this cobber. Might have picked the wrong thread out when u hit the reply button Oh, and yeh. Agreed. Age and experience are two indicators of where a team sits comparatively. Good point. That's why i used them. Cheers B)

In Round 8, 2010 the Weagles beat us at the G....they also won the wooden spoon. Worst team for the year, yet they still managed to beat us at our home ground travelling. FYI West Coast..........Average Age 23.7.........Average Games 69 Melbourne...........Average Age 23.5.........Average Games 63 They had (within a decimal point for average age and approx a 6 game per player average advantage) almost the same Age on average and the same number of games played on average at the time. Yet they still managed to beat us by almost 5 goals....on the road. You might wanna rethink this part of your argument mate

I'm with Rpfc and Rhino here. Can't change too much in a week and the boys have struggled with a pretty basic game plan so far it would seem. Things i expect a (wanna be) top side to do as a bare minimum week in and week out >>> Agro, intensity, numbers at the ball and a willingness to bleed for each other at every contest up to the final siren. Anything less (over 2 - 3 weeks opportunities) from individuals and we replace (without kicking out the whole core senior team in one hit of course) for any half decent youngster on the list who shows they're willing/skillful and has a half decent football bod (eg., Tappy types)

For sure mate. We also had Pike in that team. Played a big part on the day as well and then we let him go next year to end up playing in 4 premierships!!!??? Ok, so he was a little loose with the juice off the field. So what. Others have and will do the same as we see every other week now. Just gotta manage it. It's a part of the change that's needed within the Demon's FD culture and Club generally. Need a few tough nuts in the team both off the field and on. As long as they don't do a complete skitz like Fev and some of the Saints boys....and bring the results...who the hell cares. This is the year we toughen up (i hope) and change our culture big time in order to win the ultimate prize!! Whatever it takes i reckon. B)

Ripper post/vids 13. Thanks mate!! Yep. Swooper built a side of real men and some awesome talent, willing to put it all on the line for the jumper and their supporters. And he included the supporters in there too. Best coach at MFC since Smithy. Was sitting in the forward pocket at pie park in 92. One of my best days their and ever at any match (and last to pie park) as i went with a work colleague (pie) who thought they were gonna cream us. He lost the bet! It was Jakovich versus the pies that day. Of course others had to perform to get it to him and shut pies down. Great effort all round. And to beat one of the more highly rated FBs in Pert too. He was a big boy as well and was being man handled by Jakovich. 94 was an awesome team as well under Balme. Never forget the semi against the Blues at the G. Most polished finals performance i think i ever saw from our boys. Recall speaking to a trainer at Junction in 96 when things weren't looking so good and he said the Club had its best chance to win a premiership in 94 and blew it. Was the big bull in the park and stuck it right up em every time. Made us stand tall. What an excitement machine. Rather see that anyday than some of the drivel we've dished up in the last 15 years. Albeit Jakovich went off the rails towards the end (off & on the field lol). Think we should have worked harder to keep him to be honest. Was effectively our Fev at the time. Hec....Fevs available!!! Anyone???

Was never a possibility in my eyes. Likes to observe/comment from the outside and occasional advice to the club when asked, but never had the desire to coach. Don't know what all the fuss was about. Peeps looking for our savior i guess... B)

Good effort Rp. Need a few more weeks of data to enable meaningful comparative analysis on prior year/s. Bit too early at this point. Like to see it after round 11 and/or 12 if you're able too. B)

Hopefully the rocket's being inserted this week! 3 2 1 >>>>> FLASH!!! B)

I think this is just one of the issues that sets the MFC apart (as well as other long term struggling clubs) from the top clubs. We seem to struggle developing promising recruits past a C/B grade for some reason. Might be a systemic development issue that needs to be assessed from outside and addressed by the board/FD if it hasn't already. Could also be the quality of the recruiting and the recruiting dept's methods/peeps etc. Maybe both! Were we able to take more of our younger/promising recruits beyond C/B graders, we obviously wouldn't be so concerned with the state of the team right now and we more than likely wouldn't be seeing the poor results we saw on Thurs eve as player list/talent/skills would be developing along the expected time line/development program, and the output/effort would be showing ever improving outcomes both at the player level and team performances. I'm certainly not saying we wouldn't have our occasional downs along the way regardless. Just not to the depths we saw on Thurs, nor the 2nd half disappearing act against the Dawks. For some, including within the club, a 3 year regression to 2008 performance levels! B)

Yep. We need some grunt and some severe agro players to put the fear of Lucifer into the opposition. What's the chances of us trading a few skinny C graders for the hulk, The Thing and Abomination you reckon? B)

Agreed. Jamar needs decent back up. Newton too slight for hevy body ruckwork required and has shown he doesn't like the hard stuff that much so far. Dunn up forward any day if he's in form and ball actually makes it there enough times. He's shown he can be a multiple goal kicker at least on a good day. No way should he be rucking or out of the team at this point given our limited forward options. Martin is just beginning to find his feet with his newly improved man bod (more work needed though) and able to take on a bigger work load to assist Jamar and pffffft....he's out. Typical of our poor selection methods IMO....over many decades. Happy to be proven wrong though. lets see how they go Sunday. B)

Nice point Stur. My other concern is that if Scully decides to Bail , then others of his recruiting era and ilk may decide it's a good move also...... However, we're assuming so much at this early stage. One big positive is, we're still in the 8. I still got faith we can turn this around this year, and make a GF in the next 2 to 4, provided i can see... 1. Maximum effort, passion and a willingness to bleed for the jumper from here, week in week out (ie., Draw a line in the sand within the FD/Leaders/all players); 2. No more Thurs night/2nd half 'Hawkish' repeats (if we do, this post is null & VOID!); 3. Some semblance of a game plan taking form and consistently working for us; 4. Winning more first quarters than we lose; 5. Winning the ball out of the centre more often than not and certainly not getting smashed big time here most weeks. 6. Developing our game plan so that we begin to master the press (defensively and offensively) 7. A substantial number of our rookie bods & C,D graders turning into man bods & B,A graders. IMO, outside of Moloney, Jamar, Bate, Jones, Sylvia and Tapscott our senior list lacks physical prescence and grunt...STILL! You don't see too many premierships won without big boys with big bods and lots of talent through the middle/up front etc etc. Bangin in and gettin the hard contested ball and stripping other players of possession etc (generally speaking. There's always a few slightly built outside runners/receivers and highly skilled smalls in the mix of course, along with a myriad of other factors/skills that you gotta get right!); 8. In line with 7...we're gonna have to trade VERY wisely from here to fill a few gaping holes; AND 9. Subject to injuries/luck, we should at the very least, finish in the 8 this year or come within a bee's dik of making it. Not asking too much am i? B)

Re: Blease. Not that it means much but a few senior Bomber aquaintances of mine were upset they didn't get him in draft & rated him as a "gonna be gun" with huge wraps. Takes a young body a while to get over an injury like that and a couple more to build into man size for the rigours of this game....also in his head too (confidence wise). I'm very patient on Blease givn his injury, but also hangin out to see what he's got B)

Who wouldn't? B)

This is a great topic and one which i feel is right at the crux and heart of our problems. Leadership....lacking Starts from the top... And Jimmy is right at the top of the tree. He has shown leadership. He's shown guts under the most trying of circumstances. He's shown and done things for this Club beyond the call of duty. Leading by example (eg., heading up the debt demolition, targeting 40,000 members) He has changed the culture of this club off the field....BIG TIME and hopefully forever going forward. Now, The Club has gradually moved into and accepted his brand of culture as its blueprint. Bottom line is, get the off field right including club administration AND the FD facilities, training/fitness equipment, coaching panel, fitness staff etc etc. I would say a big tick here with the new admin/training facilities/base etc. Off field also includes us, the supporter group and specifically memberships and the drive in involve members more directly. I would give another big tick here (albeit membership has stalled in last few weeks given our performances on field). But still, record membership again to date! Now to the Coach, coaching panel and playing list..... It's almost there BUT!! He feels something is missing too (along with many others including some of us on here obviously). I'm pretty sure he wont publicly vent exactly what it is he actually sees or what it is he suspects about our FD that he feels maybe isn't quite right, or maybe a long way from being right. Nonetheless....as we now know, he's about to show leadership, and take on the overseeing of the FD himself. Now, those at the top of the FD, starting with DB, will hopefully put their egos away for a moment and sense that something isn't right also. The attitude/direction/game plan/attention to the forward press etc (however you define it) needs modifying if we are to put this tram back on the rails as so succintly put by Bz in an excellent post earlier (in another topic). It's come down to getting the FD either back on the right path from here OR (after a serious review at some stage down the track should things not go the way they are expected) a drastically new path. I believe Jimmy senses that "something" isn't quite right also. He just wants to know that everything that could/should be done within the FD is being done to the best of the FD's ability. He must also feel (or felt before Thurs night) that we are/were not far away from being a finals contender with this group THIS YEAR. Like many of the supporters here, something has tweaked him into action after Thursday. Maybe it was simply watching the way we played the game. Maybe rumblings within the club/supporter group. Only he would know of course. My humble opinion is....The Culture of the club has finally changed from the top! From generally accepting losses such as that on Thurs eve and just trying to put them behind us, to that of a winning one where we analyse and say "this needs fixing" (as the top clubs tend to do)...no matter what the cost (with logic and reason of course lol). Mediocrity and 2nd best efforts (or just turning up as we did on Thurs eve or disappearing as we did against the Hawks) will no longer be tolerated at this club. The time has come for this club to stamp itself as a Mighty force once more. To cast the mediocrity of the last 47 years to the four winds! Cometh the moment. Cometh the man. Jimmy is that man. And Jimmy will now instil his leadership qualities onto the FD...AND...indirectly...into the senior players et al We, as a club collectively (with through the strong leadership of Jimmy at the helm), have finally drawn a line in the sand! It is now time for the FD and the players to draw theirs (now, next week & forever) Mighty Demons Forever!

Jimma was never one to just sit back and wait for things to happen. Loved playin on the ball so he was in the thick of the action. His off field style is a reflection of his on field actions: Leadership, guts and determination to succeed. I always swore he wished he was a foot smaller so he could take on a true roving role. GL Jimmy! B)