Jaded No More

Which is why I said, it's a case by case proposition, and we can't use TJ as an example, because his case could be very different to Bruce's. Where exactly did I confuse you? Besides, whether or not we have to pay some of his contract is not a reason to not trade a player. If we can get a good pick for someone who is not going to be part of our next successful quest for a premiership, then we should take the opportunity to do so.

Even if we traded Bruce and ended up paying some of his salary, that this would come under the salary cap, which is set at the exact same level as any of the other 15 clubs (give or take interstate concessions). Besides, many players have been traded in the past while under contract, and clubs have not had to pay a portion of their salary. Just because we did this with TJ, doesn't mean we'll have to do it with Bruce. It's a case by case proposition.

He was thanking you for being a paid-up member. The man is a champion.

Firstly, no club would give up pick 6 for Bruce or Green, not even if pick 17 came with it. Secondly, you're crazy if you wouldn't trade either for a top 10 pick. That is seriously an insane rip-off. I think the best we can hope to get for Bruce is a late 20 pick, at best. Would still take that in a heartbeat mind you.

To do what? If his body is not up to it, his body won't be up to it in Adelaide either.

Brent Moloney and Colin Sylvia spent a good 2 seasons battling OP. Both have since come good to a certain extent (pity about Moloney's shoulder). Not sure if Rivers had the groin surgery that Judd had, but that certainly could be a possibility. We shouldn't give up on him yet, he's still young and we know he is a great player when fit.

I picked up a free flag outside, but by the time I got a seat on the third level, surrounded by random Richmond supporters, I found that waving my flag would just result in obscuring the views of the people in front, to the side and behind me. Telstra Dome is a crap stadium devoid of any atmosphere, and yes it doubles up as a morgue during the week (why the hell is it always so much colder in there?!), but if your team is playing, you need to come and support them. Who cares if you have to freeze to death, be surrounded by ferals and sit so far away the players look like ants, it's football and it's Melbourne and it's worth it just to see Garland, and Morton and McLean and Davey etc etc.... The game felt like I was in Adelaide watching a match, being abused by one-tooth hobos.

I understand why some MCC members don't buy full MFC membership, they get nothing from it. So how about, creating a duel membership, where MCC members pay a little more and this entitles them free entry into Telstra Dome, similar to what you get as a 17-game member. This will at least give MCC members some sort of an incentive to buy a Melbourne membership. Reserved seats at Telstra Dome can cost as much as $40 each. If we play there 3 times a season (like this year), that's potentially $120. By paying maybe $100 towards a duel membership with this benefit, you get to both save money and help the club. There needs to be incentives like these to ensure that MCC members convert into MFC members. There is a big supporter group to capture here, and if we get them on board it will not only help our finances it will also solidify our relationship with the MCC.

Unless it can get the council and/or the Victorian government to fund whatever redevelopment is necessary to play games at Casey. Given it's the fastest growing corridor in Australia, I'd imagine the council would be quite keen to get some AFL matches there. You'd need a seating capacity of say 30,000. Then you can add a membership premium to get a reserved seat at both the MCG and Casey, giving more money to the club and ensuring supporters don't miss out on a seat. Best of all it will give us a true home ground advantage.

I'd rather see us utilize Casey to play interstate teams such as Port and Freo, however I don't know whether this can be organised in the short term given that I have never been to Casey so am not aware of the set-up and stadium capabilities. I want to play every home game at the MCG, but that's not going to help us financially. Selling home games is a crap solution, but if it's a solution than we should do it. Just make sure we play Freo and Port etc... Casey is a better long-term solution though. Or alternatively the rectangular stadium?

This is a key issue! We need to turn the 10,000 plus MCC members who barrack for Melbourne into full members, or at the very least make them pay more for a duel membership. If scaring them is the way to go, than so be it. After all, they pay their MCC membership to go to games and watch Melbourne play. If Melbourne relocated, folded or moved their home games to TD or Casey, a great deal of their membership money would be wasted. I find it difficult to stomach the fact that people will pay hundreds of dollars for an MCC membership, but won't fork out $120 odd for a full membership of their club. The MCC also needs to realise that they're likely to lose a lot of long time members if the MFC ceased to exist in its current form. If you choose to give your money to a rich organisation that has all but turned its back on our club, but you won't give your money to our club, than what sort of supporters are you? I understand that MCC memberships give you various benefits that an MFC membership never will, but it does NOT support our club and at the end of the day why do you go the football? To sit at the MCG or to watch the Melbourne Football Club! We need to turn MCC members into MFC members. That should be the number one priority of the new administration going forward.

One more time for dramatic affect. P.S.- if your signature gets any longer Yze_Magic, it'll need a forum all to itself.

It's a great idea. As a full-time student my finances are bordering on hobo-status, but even I can afford $18.58 a month. Alternatively, 50% less pairs of shoes a year, and our club will be debt free in roughly 2 years

I doubt very much my comment will get published. The good people of Adelaide will surely censor my thoughts on the fact that old Cornes gets a public arena to discuss the insane dribbles of his mind, with absolutely no reason or fact

And is lazy with attitude problems. His performance in Round 1 was the worst display of attitude I have ever seen from a 19 year old. Leadership and the work ethic of Miller he'll never have, and we all know how far natural ability alone gets you. When Newton strings together a whole season, putting his body on the line, taking contested marks and kicking goals consistently, he'll start to interest me. Until then, I'd take a hard-working Miller anyday of the week. Dean Bailey seems to agree.

Soon we'll have more forums than members. We already have one more forum than wins on the board. :D

That is exactly right, but the thing is that the players who often go missing are our senior players. In that second quarter, they needed to stand up and stem the tide, and with the exception of Green, none of them did. As you've said, young players are inconsistent. They probably thought the game was going to be easy after we dominated in the first quarter, and the Tigers caught them off guard. That's a poor outcome, and it shows a lack of maturity, but at the same time that we can't rely on our senior players (whoever is left standing) to lead the way is a real worry. Junior, Bruce, White and Yze were all extremely poor in the second quarter and that's a big reason why once the Tigers got on a role, we couldn't stop them. The kids went into shock, and our senior players did what they always do, go back into their shell. That's also why we've been so inconsistent in general for the past 10 years. One year up, one year down. One good game, one bad game. One good quarter, one bad quarter. It's been happening for a long time, well before we fielded a daycare group.

Will never be a star, but can be a solid contributer to the side for many years to come. He is important to our structure because he straightens us up, and even when he doesn't take the mark, he makes a good competitive effort out of it. And he has well and truly busted the myth that he can't kick (especially goals). As I said in another thread, had Newton played the game Miller did yesterday, people would be blowing their load over it. I just hope Miller can keep contributing on the scoreboard, and that will only happen if Bate pushes up the ground and allows Miller to stay inside 50. His goal from the boundary after he forced a holding the ball decision, was all class.

If Juice played the game Miller did, people would be all over it calling him the next Wayne Carey. Miller had a very good, productive game yesterday. His kicking was spot on, and he took some good grabs. His form this year has been much improved and he deserves a lot of recognition for turning his fortunes around, as does Bailey.

After his pathetic attempts at tackling yesterday, Yze is well and truly done. Valenti out for Yze sounds about right.

Anyone know whether this waste of space has a contact address? Wouldn't mind giving this [censored] a history lesson. The only one who is irrelevant is him and his opinions. Divert the attention away from the fact that one SA club lost the Grand Final by 100 points, while the other has failed miserably to capitalize on their ladder position in the last few seasons. Pathetic.

He didn't blow my socks off, but he worked hard and went hard and that's all you can really ask from someone who hasn't played senior footy consistently... well ever. Daniher never showed enough faith in him to play him consistently. And yes I know he hasn't shown a lot in 5 years, but neither did Godfrey The point is, he deserves to play out the season and gain some confidence. We're already on our way to a spoon, so we've got nothing to lose. Once and for all can we find out whether he's worth anything, or whether he was a waste of a F/S pick? Otherwise he might spend another couple of years clogging our list, or worse we'll let him go and he'll turn into a gun (highly unlikely, but we are the Melbourne Football Club, so nothing would surprise me). The one thing he has, is a bit of dash. In a team of slow plodders (who I love dearly), that's an excellent trait to have.

I admire Richo. He is a freak on the field, and a very loyal servant to a crap club off the field. He reminds me a lot of Neita in that respect. If only Neita was till running around making the impact Richo is at his age

Glad you agree

Wonder if Richmond supporters think that Tuck was good, except he let McLean run wild...? At the end of the day McLean is not a tagger, and his main role is not to stop his direct opponent. Of course he has to chase and man-up when the ball is going the other way (which he does, and he lays as many tackles as anyone), but if you play him on a damaging player, expect both players to get the ball equally. It's a case of, would you rather the opposition tag McLean out of the game, or would you rather let McLean and his direct opponent do as they please?