Moonshadow

Not necessarily disagreeing with you KDA, but are his skills and co odrdination any worse than Spencil, Jamar or Dawes? I think the main difference is they use their size to impose on the contest, which is important for a big man.

Maybe we just overrate Howe?

Likewise. Move on.

Ironic. Your post was clumsy, poorly worded and would be insulting to those who have experienced sexual assault. If the topic is beyond your maturity, don't post on it. Let's move on

It's a slippery subject Red. Much appeal though.

Sexual offences and sexual assault don't involve consent Ethan.

Anywhoo, what about this Howe fella?

His deal is that he is the guy signing the paperwork. If he doesn't want to come here he can veto. We have to be a club they want to come to.

In the highly unlikely event that Belinda goes through to the draft or psd and the even more unlikely case that he slipped through to our pick, we would stark raving, absolutely bonkers not to select him. We folded when Ball was available, never bloody again.

On a serious thread about sexual assault, it might be a good idea to lay off the jokes, however innocuous the intent.

Talk only. Nothing in writing.

Prestia, yes. O'Meara and his pre-geriatric knee, no.

Do I detect a nasty tone DA?

Who?

Plough is the Oprah Winfrey of trade talk. Only I'd rather listen to Oprah.

"Get around me! #hotpies"

What if saints gave up 5 and Ess gave up Belinda plus the second rounder they got from us? Effectively becomes saints get their man plus pick 25 and give up pick 5, we get Milkshake and give up 25, Ess get pick 5 and give up the two players.

Only two keys working on your typewriter picket?

While not a great player by any means, I thought Fitzy was still developing and showed some good potential. He's a neat mark out in front, fast on the lead, can often create scoring shots out of nothing, over 200cm and this year added defensive skills to his game. Aware he's been on the list for a number of years, but big guys often peak around 25/26/27yrs. Was starting to put on size but didn't throw his weight around. I thought he was worth hanging onto, maybe as a rookie, certainly for depth. However, I believe the tunnel ball incident marked him (Roos singled it out in the after game presser) and we didn't see much of him after that. Got to trust Roos and Goodwin on this one, I guess. No biggie either way.

I think ASAD said all bets are off and penalties would start afresh. Maybe because they did not plead guilty and maybe because the time 'served' wasn't away from the club. They were still training and attending functions during off season.

Hale, Lake and Anderson might create room

Er, shouldn't your sig read "bitterer than ever" or "more bitter than ever"? The bigger bit is a given.

I don't mind the deal. Second round pick in a weak draft for an experienced player that we know can play at AFL level. He finished top 5 in Essendon's 2013 b&f and was a high draft pick. The potential is there and if Roos and Goodwin think they can turn him around then I support the trade. FFS he actually wants to play for us. Few others do. Would rather have him than keep Howe or Toumpas or any other player who wants to play elsewhere.

Given he's contracted, how would he get to the psd hh?