Moonshadow

And Joey.

Good article by Juddy in the Age today using the Dees as an example of game innovation and attacking footy. http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-season-2016-innovation-attack-defence--its-all-a-matter-of-balance-for-teams-on-the-rise-like-melbourne-says-chris-judd-20160630-gpvf2s.html

Whether you like or dislike Judd as a player, I've found him interesting to listen to when he's on the panel of footy shows (as opp to TFS). I think he's been on FC and TF. Pretty sharp understanding of the game and where he thinks it's going. Could be good for special comments on match day.

I fear he might 'Go West'.

Could you give him a hand Biff and ensure the dwelling is unlivable?

Ewww! No thanks.

*Sentimentalists I'll blame it on autocorrect...

The sentimentalists and the blue-in-the-face breath holders will be happy. *runs for cover quickly!*

Yes my post was sarcastic. Well spotted undeeterred. "Who's suggesting giving games away" - are you kidding me? Other posters have given the reasons I sarcastically pointed out above. They are reasons for playing that are not related to him deserving a game on his merit for the way Roos and Goodwin coach. Eg. Locker door, father/son/daughter, Junior McDonald, stopping membership, he's a good servant, and we aren't playing finals so the games aren't as important. The new game plan relies upon fast rebound off half back with good decisions and minimal turn overs. That is not Grimes' fortè. The Goodwin/Roos convo was a hypothetical, hence the capital 'IF'. I'm sure you knew that though.

I see now.... We are big enough to give games away to VFL players who in all likelihood will not be with us next year. Let's give some to Terls while we are at it. Lets get his name on the locker door, and make sure that his yet to be born children will have the option to play at MFC. This is important. We aren't going to play finals this year so what does it matter that we finish off well. It's sentiment and pity that are important here. We don't want him to feel disappointed when he's cut in October. After all, Grimesy has been a good servant to the team and would want to play games he otherwise wouldn't have. We've seen what the cutting of Junior did to the club and because we are part of the MFC inner sanctum and team moral is so low we know for sure it will do the same if Jack is cut from the list on 98. I refuse to believe we offered him around for free at the end of last year with no takers. Nope, never happened. It's worthy of microwaving my membership over. He's been killing it at VFL level and like ANB will surely do it at senior level. After all, he's done it so many times in the past. His disposal, speed and body shape have improved so much this year. Oh, wait..... Sheesh. I don't mind Jack getting more games if he has form (tick), has dramatically improved his disposal and speed (unlikely), and is in the mix to be part of our team next year (we don't know, but very doubtful). Sure it would be nice for him to get to 100, even to 200 if he warrants further selection. He has been a great club man and is well liked by all, including me. But let me put it this way... IF Goodwin and Roos had a chat with Grimsey and confirmed he would not be at the club next year, but they would make sure he gets given 2 games so he can get his name on a locker door, do you think he would leave satisfied? I'd hope he'd tell them to put the team's development above his individual games tally.

Assuming Roos and Goodwin decide he's not part of our future and we don't have a big run of injuries this year, sentimentality would be the only reason to play him twice this year. The right thing is to do what's best for the team. He might get the two games, but that would be a hollow outcome IMO. Having said that, I haven't seen him play this year at Casey, only on TV. Have you gone to many Casey games this year P-man?

I hope that would be the very last reason to give a guy a senior game or keep him on the list. Actually, I'd say that is no reason to do it. We are bigger than that now. I'll agree to disagree.

I disagree strongly. Jack Grimes is very limited as a modern footballer. His strength is an ability to read the ball and that he's a reasonably good mark for his size. His disposal is very poor... almost unacceptable, he isn't quick and he gets pushed around easily. Love the guy's persistence and heart, but his card was marked as soon as Hunt and Wagner showed form. With Salem and H set to come back at some point (hopefully) and Vince and NJones perhaps spending more time across half back as they age, we have no spots left. He's not a prospective key back so cannot be compared to the Mac bros. Nev Jetta improved all his deficiencies to become a valuable small back, not such a different role from what Jack could have become. For better or worse, speed and precise rebound across half back have become king, and we have too many turn over merchants as it is. Stuck on 98. There's little room for sentimentality in AFL these days.

You'd be punching above your weight more than any club seeking Weitering picket. So we're a chance then.

Oh c'mon, he was a pretty good dancer on a balcony with a beer in hand. And he's apparently a fast swiper on Tinder (according to BBO). Saints will end up with 11 wins, 12 at best. A very good effort this year but not finals. They will struggle to take the next step as Roo, Joey, et al retire.

I'd say form, ability and depth. Grimes has form.

Picket, with all due respect, honestly, you know what they say about being better to keep your mouth shut and leave people wondering....

Interesting comments from Bernie. I'm guessing it hasn't been uncommon in the past to try and get around concussion tests. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-28/vince-admits-to-lying-about-concussion-effects-to-stay-on-the-field

I've thought the same thing, plus it appears that Prestia is going at half rat power through games. Coming back from injury is one reason, but he just doesn't seem to have the intensity this year that he has previously. Different circumstances, but it reminds me of Chip's final year with us.

Interesting, but IMO we'd need to sweeten with more than TMac. Add our 2nd rounder (25?). Hurley is far more valuable than TMac and I think he'd want Ess to be suitably compensated even though he can walk as a DFA

I think a lot of clubs see TMac as merely an average to good player with potential and would say "who?" about ANB. Those guys combined aren't worth pick 1. It would more likely be Hogan and Salem (or equivalents) for Hurley and 1.

Jeezus what a bunch of chicken littles. I'd place more importance on his Melbourne gf than buying a shlt property in Perth.

Our Bitters is very good at greasing the highest ranking hands Earnest. Apart from his own, of course.

I'd like to see the AFL give every club except Essendon a priority pick, thus making their first selection effectively pick 19. Not going to happen though......

Balance and reason will get you nowhere on this board Ricky.